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#51 MAA

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Posted 23 July 2010 - 01:56 PM

Hi Russ,

Here are the Balloon wings as requested ~ the Balfour hallmark was not as I had remembered it, as they are marked "Balfour" "S" and not "LGB" "S". Some are marked "LGB" and some are "Balfour". Dave


Hello Dave,
Thank you for sharing your beautiful and documented case of Balfour badges. Your opinion that the stamped "S" stands for 'Sample' may very well be correct. However, if that is true, then what are the wings made with? Since they don't possess a government required precious metal marking like Silver, Sterling, Gold Washed, or 1/20th 10KGF, are we to assume the samples are made of a lesser composite or pot metal? I'm throwing this idea out there as more of a question, than a statement.

Russ

PS. Any chance of getting a couple of close-up views of the back of your Balloon Pilot wings for comparison?
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Posted 23 July 2010 - 10:17 PM

Absolutely teriffic Dave! Your Balloon Pilot/Observer grouping is a real treat. Thanks for all of your efforts in posting this most impressive grouping!
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Posted 29 July 2010 - 01:45 PM

Dave - thank you very much for sharing this gem you have! I have a few questions for you.

1) do you have any indication of when the Balfour salesman recieved these samples as a set?

2) Can you provide a few more photos... specifically of the Command and Senior pilot and the FS wing (fron and back please)

Thanks for the great post.

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 01:33 PM

Maybe this can start a pinned thread.

I started a small library of hallmarks of wings as I find them and posted them on my website here: I know a few of the rather rarer hallmarks have escaped me. Most of these hallmarks are from wings in my collection with a few images "borrowed" off of ebay

http://pfrost.bol.ucla.edu/06.html

Not a complete listing, but as I find them, I try to post them. I know a few other websites have some nice listing of wing and insignia hallmarks. Maybe they can be added to this thread. Also, (if I may) the WAF forum has a super nice detailed listing of companies that were involved in making wings, medals and insignia from about 1917 to yesterday.

Patrick


Patrick,
The link does not work anymore. Was it moved?
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Posted 13 September 2010 - 01:52 PM

Patrick,
The link does not work anymore. Was it moved?
Tom


Hi

I changed my webpage.

Here is the main page.
http://pfrost.bol.ucla.edu/Home.html

and here is the hallmark page.
http://pfrost.bol.uc.../Hallmarks.html

#56 bazelot

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 02:22 PM

Hi

I changed my webpage.

Here is the main page.
http://pfrost.bol.ucla.edu/Home.html

and here is the hallmark page.
http://pfrost.bol.uc.../Hallmarks.html



Thanks Patrick. That 's a great site.
Do you think those wings are WWII?
http://cgi.ebay.com/...e=STRK:MEWNX:IT

#57 pfrost

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 03:05 PM

Thanks Patrick. That 's a great site.
Do you think those wings are WWII?
http://cgi.ebay.com/...e=STRK:MEWNX:IT


Thanks,

and yes, I would say classic WWII style AMICO wings.

Patrick

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Posted 13 September 2010 - 03:35 PM

Thanks,

and yes, I would say classic WWII style AMICO wings.

Patrick


Thanks Patrick. It looks like those had the clutchback and not the pin (hard to say though as they were cut). Was in common in WWII?

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Posted 09 November 2010 - 10:26 PM

Here are a couple of post WWII Balfour/LGB marks I've found on navigator/observer wings with attribution. I've marked them with the dates I think they were made...any arguments with those dates?

Has anyone seen a Master Navigator/Obs with the 1947 mark? Or even a pilot, sr. pilot, or cmd. pilot with the 1947 mark?

Wonder if the relatively common Pilot wing we often attribute to WWII might have been used extensively (burning through leftover stock) during the post WWII period? I've seen 1-B marked on these pilot badges, but not the earlier mark.

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Posted 16 November 2010 - 05:45 PM

Here are a couple of post WWII Balfour/LGB marks I've found on navigator/observer wings with attribution. I've marked them with the dates I think they were made...any arguments with those dates?

Has anyone seen a Master Navigator/Obs with the 1947 mark? Or even a pilot, sr. pilot, or cmd. pilot with the 1947 mark?

Wonder if the relatively common Pilot wing we often attribute to WWII might have been used extensively (burning through leftover stock) during the post WWII period? I've seen 1-B marked on these pilot badges, but not the earlier mark.

PS


Andrew Lipps just sold a Sr. Pilot in the original box today with an LGB mark that looks like yours, Paul.

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Posted 17 November 2010 - 06:28 PM

Thanks Mark, they do exist.

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Posted 18 November 2010 - 07:15 PM

Here are a couple of post WWII Balfour/LGB marks I've found on navigator/observer wings with attribution. I've marked them with the dates I think they were made...any arguments with those dates?

PS



Hi Paul,

Sorry for the late reply but I am very busy these days with life... I feel that the mark actually pre-dates 1947 based on the finish and the mark itself. This is not to say is was not used later as well... To make a long story short I have seen other items made by Balfour with the same type of marking and "frosted" finish on a lapel pin engraved to someone in 1944 and a medal dated 1935. My gut feeling is that some wings may have been produced from late war on with the LGB mark and the same finish.

I need to find the photos and IIRC I think I bought the medal but not sure of its current location.

Cheers
John

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 05:20 PM

Ok bringing this thread back from the dead becuase I was reviewing the background on the LGB S mark and reread my last post that I said i would pos that photo. Well I know I am really late with this but here you go. As you can see it has the same mark Paul has pegged @ 1947 and later but from the engraving on this pin it points to a slightly earlier date.


Although this is not proof positive in my mind it tips the scales for those interested in the Balfour hallmark and wings in specific relation to the frosted finish and the larger font. :)


Cheers
John
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Posted 09 August 2014 - 05:19 AM

nice



#65 Steve Brannan

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Posted 13 June 2016 - 07:50 PM

Has anyone seen this hallmark on a WWII Naval Aviators wings? Will send more pictures later.

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#66 Grant S.

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Posted 03 November 2016 - 09:20 AM

Gus Fox Co., as best I can tell. It has been described as an oval with crossed swords behind it, but those don't look like crossed swords to me. Looks more like scrolls.

 

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#67 Kropotkin

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Posted 03 November 2016 - 09:27 AM

Hello, I think they represent the 'X' behind the 'O' which houses the 'F'.

#68 pfrost

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Posted 03 November 2016 - 09:45 AM

Kropotkin is probably correct.  Stylized "FOX" name.



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Posted 28 June 2017 - 04:05 AM

Just in case these are WW2, here's the AE CO. mark on my USN aviator wings.
Cheers, John

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Posted 06 August 2017 - 12:17 PM

Here's a clearer photo of the above A E Co. hallmark.

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Edited by Flightpath, 06 August 2017 - 12:21 PM.



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