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#1 stucky151

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 06:38 PM

Got a great grouping of A Naval pilot named John M. Key. in the group came this set of wings. There are no makers marks on the wings besides
1-20-10k on sterling.
The uniform that these were on are dated 1949. The gold is almost completely gone. Can anyone fill me in on what Ive got here?

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Posted 18 September 2014 - 06:38 PM

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 01:13 AM

Blackinton?
Just my two cents.



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Posted 19 September 2014 - 01:34 AM

Looks like the pin has been replaced by clutchbacks.



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Posted 19 September 2014 - 01:35 AM

Very nice wings anyway.  :-)



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Posted 19 September 2014 - 04:46 AM

I believe its an Amcraft made after this wing was made http://www.ww2wings....navypilot.shtml For what ever reason they elected not to use the snowflake with mfg.hallmark.Can you photograph it from the side so we can see the length of the post ? Thanks to Bob and all the collectors who helped him build a wonderful web site resource . I've noticed the shield is different,one lined and one stippled.I still think it's an Amcraft,the post length will help with a guess as to when. Fraternally Mike

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 08:11 AM

Thanks for the replies, here are a few more shots from different angles.

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 08:12 AM

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 08:13 AM

Hopefully these pictures are what you were looking for. It does appear that the clutch backs have been re-soldered.

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 08:31 AM

Could have been made anytime from WWII up till the 1960's, there is really no way to tell.  I would expect if you got it off a 1949 dated jacket, then that would be a pretty good start as to dating these.  What is the rank on the jacket?

 

You can also look up the pilot and find out when he got his wings, but if he was an ensign or LT jg, I would suspect that he may have been a KW naval aviator.  A LTCDR or higher rank, then I would expect that he would have been a WWII pilot.

 

As for the clutch backs, typically, factory applied hardware is pretty clean and neat, and you don't see excessive amounts of solder.  That is why it seems that the clutches have been replaced, because of the big pool of solder on the back which suggests a repair.

 

They are nice wings in any case.  Even nicer because they are attributed to a pilot.  The next thing to do is find out what he did.

 

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 09:56 AM

here is the jacket they were on

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 10:04 AM

If he was a commander in 1949, then he probably was a WWII veteran.  That is assuming that he didn't get the uniform in 1949 and just add the new rank to the same uniform over time?  You should be able to look him up and see when he was commissioned.

 

Still, the wings could date from WWII up to the VN time period, but probably are from the late 40's/mid 50's.  The made tons of them during WWII and I believe that they were still selling old stock for years afterwards.



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Posted 19 September 2014 - 10:10 AM

Thanks for the help!

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 10:10 AM

Thanks for the help!

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Posted 19 September 2014 - 10:58 AM

You're welcome. I really enjoy trying to research wings. Thanks for posting. Mike

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 06:16 AM

I believe it is one of those markers that will most likely never be id'ed.

I have numerous wings of that type and back mark in my collection.

All with very minor differences.

I would call it an honest WWII Naval Aviator wing badge,

with a poor job by someone of converting from pin back to clutch back.

As Patrick said however, it could be post WWII to pre alpha numeric.

I think the idea of it being Blackinton is a good thought, but as you can see from these

two photos from my collection of marked and unmarked Blackinton Aviator wings,

the wing in post 1 is close but different.

 

Best, John

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 06:17 AM

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 06:39 AM

This could be your man.

http://www.legacy.co...x?pid=164164539

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 10:30 AM

That has to be him, one of the uniforms does not look military, which would explain the civilian looking flight jacket too. thanks for the link!

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 11:07 AM

Here is one from my collection that is the same as yours.

Maker unknown.

Best, John

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 11:18 AM

Looks much better with gold still on it!

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Posted 21 September 2014 - 10:20 PM

Blacinton_Navy_Pilot 013.JPG Blacinton_Navy_Pilot 015.JPG Blackinton Navy Pilot 

 



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Posted 21 September 2014 - 10:30 PM

Hallmark.JPG Blackinton Hallmark Navy Pilot




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