AB45 Posted September 15, 2014 Share #1 Posted September 15, 2014 Hey Today with friend pickup these three dog tags found at a U.S. airport. The memory is a paratrooper dog tag with an additional number on the back.We think this is a U.S. POW number.Who can help POW number 594767 Dog tag number 21 4 738 3091 214738 is :4./Fallschirmjäger Ersatz Bataillon, Stendal und Aschersleben9./Fallschirmjäger Ersatz Bataillon, Aschersleben10./Fallschirmjäger Ersatz Bataillon, Aschersleben4./Fallschirm Genesenden Bataillon 1, Aschersleben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USdog Posted September 15, 2014 Share #2 Posted September 15, 2014 I thought American POW tags weren't oval shaped? EDIT: Neat find BTW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB45 Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted September 15, 2014 My finds Dog tag Nachr. Ers. Kp(Pz.?) Gren. Ers. Rgt 82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB45 Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted September 15, 2014 I thought American POW tags weren't oval shaped? EDIT: Neat find BTW! Has indeed no one told. It's about the number on the back. Please read properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB45 Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted September 15, 2014 Pickups Funde Ring Mexico AMD 925 and the other dog tag 4./ Ersatz-btl 181A 1771 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROBS Posted September 15, 2014 Share #6 Posted September 15, 2014 I thought American POW tags weren't oval shaped? EDIT: Neat find BTW! would have been a German prisoner to the US. -Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB45 Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share #7 Posted September 15, 2014 It was a release bearing U.S. Army.It is quite possible that the one POW number ist'It would be nice for us if we knew who the owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KASTAUFFER Posted September 15, 2014 Share #8 Posted September 15, 2014 I thought American POW tags weren't oval shaped? EDIT: Neat find BTW! This is a Dogtag issued to a German soldier, which is why it's oval. Most POW tags issued to POWs are rectangular, but some POW tags were indeed oval. Check the POW tag thread that is pinned for some examples. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/4274-wwii-german-pow-dogtags-issued-to-americans/ Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB45 Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted September 15, 2014 would have been a German prisoner to the US. -Brian Not USA Look here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB45 Posted September 15, 2014 Author Share #10 Posted September 15, 2014 This is a Dogtag issued to a German soldier, which is why it's oval. Most POW tags issued to POWs are rectangular, but some POW tags were indeed oval. Check the POW tag thread that is pinned for some examples. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/4274-wwii-german-pow-dogtags-issued-to-americans/ Kurt The fact that no U.S. POW's we know. The number does not belong to the brand. We assume that the prisoner has beaten his U.S. POW number on his German dog tag is 594767 a US POW nummer ? yes or not ? it's not about the dog tag ! Mod please move Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USdog Posted September 15, 2014 Share #11 Posted September 15, 2014 This is a Dogtag issued to a German soldier, which is why it's oval. Most POW tags issued to POWs are rectangular, but some POW tags were indeed oval. Check the POW tag thread that is pinned for some examples. http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/index.php?/topic/4274-wwii-german-pow-dogtags-issued-to-americans/ Kurt Thanks for the help Kurt. Didn't realize oval tags were issued to Americans. Learn something new every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KASTAUFFER Posted September 15, 2014 Share #12 Posted September 15, 2014 The fact that no U.S. POW's we know. The number does not belong to the brand. We assume that the prisoner has beaten his U.S. POW number on his German dog tag is 594767 a US POW nummer ? yes or not ? it's not about the dog tag ! Mod please move There are a lot of examples of POW Mail from German Soldiers held by Americans and other Allies on Ebay. I would look for examples on Ebay and see if POW numbers on the mail is consistent with possible POW number( Gefangennummer ) punched into your tag. POW numbers assigned to Germans by the Brits, USA, and French all have different formats. That is how I would approach it. Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8thairforce Posted January 16, 2015 Share #13 Posted January 16, 2015 I have quite a large number of ground dug Geerman Dog tags , Mainly SS . I can see the tag is to an Ersatz member ( replacement troop ) . It was not un-common for the soldiers Feldpost ( field post ) number to change as they got moved through different regiments in the later part of the war . Therefore I think it entirely possible that the reverse number is in fact his German identity number when transferred to a later regiment / division .Regards . James Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bellasilva Posted January 16, 2015 Share #14 Posted January 16, 2015 The fact that no U.S. POW's we know. The number does not belong to the brand. We assume that the prisoner has beaten his U.S. POW number on his German dog tag is 594767 a US POW nummer ? yes or not ? it's not about the dog tag ! Mod please move While you may be asking about the number, we can still discuss the tag if we want to. You posted it on a public forum didn't you? (= In either case nice finds, good luck with the research. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB45 Posted January 25, 2015 Author Share #15 Posted January 25, 2015 I have quite a large number of ground dug Geerman Dog tags , Mainly SS . I can see the tag is to an Ersatz member ( replacement troop ) . It was not un-common for the soldiers Feldpost ( field post ) number to change as they got moved through different regiments in the later part of the war . Therefore I think it entirely possible that the reverse number is in fact his German identity number when transferred to a later regiment / division .Regards . James Hey Can I use the dog tag ss see anywhere or can you make of it and show pictures? Where the dog tags were found? We're search in a pow camp where a lot of SS was. I think it is a US number for german pow´s. Here is an example for US pow camps PW31G....and the US ID number..... On the second pic you can see a drawing out of the book "So sah ich mich - Aufzeichnungen des PW31G - 5181013". The author draw very humorous his time in captivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KASTAUFFER Posted January 25, 2015 Share #16 Posted January 25, 2015 The tags worn by German POWs held by the U.S. were standard US Army notched dogtags. The full POW number with the PWG31g prefix would have been on it, Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB45 Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share #17 Posted January 26, 2015 Hey Kurt US army dog tags for german pow ? This practice did not exist in Germany.I am certainly not known.Add to Rheinwiesenlager anyway.If you can you should read the German times.He describes the conditions in the camps and also that US clothing was worn. http://www.rheinwiesenlager.de/Frankfurt-Flughafen.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siege1863 Posted January 29, 2015 Share #18 Posted January 29, 2015 In all of my research on the German POW camp located in Clinton, Mississippi, I have never heard of the prisoners being issued any type of tag. The former POWs I have corresponded with and interviewed all carried an ID card with their number on it. Some provided me with copies. I also have an original set of the regulations for POWs and do not recall anything regarding the issuing of tags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted January 29, 2015 Share #19 Posted January 29, 2015 In all of my research on the German POW camp located in Clinton, Mississippi, I have never heard of the prisoners being issued any type of tag. The former POWs I have corresponded with and interviewed all carried an ID card with their number on it. Some provided me with copies. I also have an original set of the regulations for POWs and do not recall anything regarding the issuing of tags. here in AZ we have the papago Base (sorry if i spelled that wrong) and they have a military museum in it which is free to the public, in ww2 the base was used for german POWs and it has alot of examples of what they had and some funny stories of escape attempts and I must agree no mention of tags but they do say they had ID cards. im wondering if Tags may have been given to the first prisoners? but I've never heard of it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB45 Posted January 29, 2015 Author Share #20 Posted January 29, 2015 Hey Jake http://brazilbrazil.com/powcamp.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KASTAUFFER Posted January 29, 2015 Share #21 Posted January 29, 2015 I just wonder if different camps in the US had different rules. I know I have seen WWII US Style Tags with German Names with a POW ID number on them in the correct format. I wish I had pics of them but I dont. You would have thought tht Metal Detecting enthusiasts in the USA would have found some by now if they exist. I am not sure if you can metal detect near the old Papago Park camp, Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siege1863 Posted January 29, 2015 Share #22 Posted January 29, 2015 I have detected at the Clinton camp on several occasions and found only the German ID tags, either lost or discarded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WW2JAKE Posted January 29, 2015 Share #23 Posted January 29, 2015 Hey Jake http://brazilbrazil.com/powcamp.html yupp that'd be the one. not much left of the POW camp as said in the article there is still a small base with a heavily packed museum, but if you are to go i suggest you not be in the area with the huey when they fire the cannon right outside the big roll up door. its no fun when that happens lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siege1863 Posted January 29, 2015 Share #24 Posted January 29, 2015 I think that if the number added to the back of the German ID tag is indeed a POW number, it was merely put there in case of loss. Being that the tag does not include a name, the American camp personnel would not have a way of identifying who it belonged to if found. It is in no way "official." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KASTAUFFER Posted January 30, 2015 Share #25 Posted January 30, 2015 Look at what's hanging around this POW's neck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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