automatic Posted August 4, 2014 Share #1 Posted August 4, 2014 Hello all, I have this garrison cap my grandfather left me, but I don't know what unit the pin on it is. Info that might help you help me is that he was in the army during the Korean war, I think stationed in Germany, and after that in the reserves, I know with the 78th Training Division for sure. Anyway, help would be appreciated, as I am trying to put together an idea of what units and such he was in. Oh and almost forgot he had a marksman badge for field artillery so maybe an artillery unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tredhed2 Posted August 4, 2014 Share #2 Posted August 4, 2014 307th FA Bn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted August 4, 2014 Share #3 Posted August 4, 2014 What kind of Garrison Cap is it, Olive Green with Red Piping or Army Green? As tredhed stated DI is for the 307th Artillery a componant of the 78th Infantry Division/Training Division, a Post WWII unit of the Army Reserves from New Jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatic Posted August 4, 2014 Author Share #4 Posted August 4, 2014 What kind of Garrison Cap is it, Olive Green with Red Piping or Army Green? As tredhed stated DI is for the 307th Artillery a componant of the 78th Infantry Division/Training Division, a Post WWII unit of the Army Reserves from New Jersey. Army green. Thx so much for quick response everyone! I asked on another site a couple days ago and haven't even had a single response yet! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatic Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share #5 Posted September 28, 2014 What kind of Garrison Cap is it, Olive Green with Red Piping or Army Green? As tredhed stated DI is for the 307th Artillery a componant of the 78th Infantry Division/Training Division, a Post WWII unit of the Army Reserves from New Jersey. Hey patches. The piping is olive, not red. If he was in an artillery unit why would he have infantry piping? Also, a general question for anyone, is the 307th still around? was it merged or redesignated? I tried researching, but no had luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B229 Posted September 28, 2014 Share #6 Posted September 28, 2014 Hey patches. The piping is olive, not red. If he was in an artillery unit why would he have infantry piping? Also, a general question for anyone, is the 307th still around? was it merged or redesignated? I tried researching, but no had luck. If the cap is Army Green, then the braid will also always be Army Green. The Army dropped branch colored braid when the AG uniform was adopted in 1956. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 28, 2014 Share #7 Posted September 28, 2014 Hey patches. The piping is olive, not red. If he was in an artillery unit why would he have infantry piping? Also, a general question for anyone, is the 307th still around? was it merged or redesignated? I tried researching, but no had luck. The 307th Field Artillery Battalion was disbanded 1 May 1959 at Trenton when the entire 78th Infantry Division went off combat statusand was reorganized and redesignated as a Training Division he probably wore this at the very tail end of the unit's existence, thus accounting for it being on a AG44 cap, he just got himself the new class A uniform which became standard around that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatic Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share #8 Posted September 28, 2014 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatic Posted September 28, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted September 28, 2014 The 307th Field Artillery Battalion was disbanded 1 May 1959 at Trenton when the entire 78th Infantry Division went off combat statusand was reorganized and redesignated as a Training Division he probably wore this at the very tail end of the unit's existence, thus accounting for it being on a AG44 cap, he just got himself the new class A uniform which became standard around that time. It's not on an AG44, it's on a garrison cap, with regular infantry piping. The cap is dated 1978. I don't know why he would still have the 307th crest on his cap, if the unit was disbanded in '59, and he went on to be in the reserves as late at the eighties, wouldn't it have been changed to his new unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankpatches Posted September 28, 2014 Share #10 Posted September 28, 2014 307th FA deac: 1 may 59, redes: 11 Sept 59, 78th CST The piece you are showing is Op red and was made after 1959 and worn only by the training unit (78th CST) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatic Posted September 29, 2014 Author Share #11 Posted September 29, 2014 307th FA deac: 1 may 59, redes: 11 Sept 59, 78th CST The piece you are showing is Op red and was made after 1959 and worn only by the training unit (78th CST) Thanks Tank this is the info I was looking for! Sorry for this last stupid question but what do you mean "Op red". I'm sure after you tell me I will have known, just couldn't think of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 29, 2014 Share #12 Posted September 29, 2014 It's not on an AG44, it's on a garrison cap, with regular infantry piping. The cap is dated 1978. I don't know why he would still have the 307th crest on his cap, if the unit was disbanded in '59, and he went on to be in the reserves as late at the eighties, wouldn't it have been changed to his new unit? The cap you posted we see the crest on is a AG44 Garrison Cap, and besides, no way on gods green earth would we see a 1978 made U.S. Army cap with Branch Piping they all had a dark green piping. Is there another OD cap with Inf Blue piping you have? As to why the crest is on it see Tankpatches quote, the 307th FA Bn's unit crest was just used again for a newly activated unit within the newly redesignated 78th Division (Training), the 78th Regiment (Combat Support Training). The activation of Training Divisions in the late 50s are tricky, all these Divisions were active Army Reserve Combat Infantry Divisions, when they were reorganized, they kept there Infantry Regiment numbers, and kept using their unit crests, not sure if these redesignated Regiments kept the Regimental colors, but in any event thats were the similarity ended, they had not the TO&E of the former Infantry Regiment or Battalion/Battle Group, and no combat mission. It seems at least one of the Division's Artillery units was kept too, but it got a totally differant number and a totally differant title, consentrating on the old 307th FA BN, when it was redesignated as the 78th Regt (CST) it really didn't have an Artilllery mission anymore, it didn't have Artillerymen it nor tubes after a certain point as the 1960s moved forward, your father was in the unit I gather right when the whole unit was changed, or he never was a Arty guy and just assigned to it (was he an Artilleryman), as these type units conducted training for intial entry draftees and enlistees. Combat Support Training, I gathering this was Mortars, 81mm and the big 4.2s, as well as the Anti Tank weapons of the day Bazookas and Recoiless Rifles of the various calibers, a unit like the 78th Regt (CST) would not conduct Artillery training, Tube or Air Defense, this specialized training was conducted as an AIT course at either Ft Bliss Texas (for air to air missle and other AA weaponry like 40 Mike Mikes) Ft Still ( for Tube and ground to ground missle). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tankpatches Posted September 29, 2014 Share #13 Posted September 29, 2014 Op = opaque (solid color) Tr = transparent (see thru) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 29, 2014 Share #14 Posted September 29, 2014 Automatic, all you have from when he was in is this cap? you have nothing else, not even paperwork like DD214 and the like, no photos etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
automatic Posted September 30, 2014 Author Share #15 Posted September 30, 2014 AG44 Garrison Cap Looked up AG44 and all I saw was visor caps, so I thought that that is what you meant. Sorry, as I have stated before I'm still pretty new to militaria collecting and don't know that much. Thanks for putting up with me, to everyone! Op = opaque (solid color) Tr = transparent (see thru) Thanks! Automatic, all you have from when he was in is this cap? you have nothing else, not even paperwork like DD214 and the like, no photos etc? No paperwork or photos, unfortunately. Ordered the DD214 around a week ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patches Posted September 30, 2014 Share #16 Posted September 30, 2014 Looked up AG44 and all I saw was visor caps, so I thought that that is what you meant. Sorry, as I have stated before I'm still pretty new to militaria collecting and don't know that much. Thanks for putting up with me, to everyone! Thanks! No paperwork or photos, unfortunately. Ordered the DD214 around a week ago Not a problem, your lesson for today In the Army visored caps are called Service Caps, the one you have are called Garrison Caps, or on occasion Overseas Caps, but latter term is used generally for the WWI cap, sometimes WWII/Korea/50s, less so from the 60s on. Thats good. Lets see what his DD214 says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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