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#1 toshik

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Posted 17 May 2014 - 10:34 AM

Does anyone happen to have the original 1902 engineer full dress coat? I need to see how the collar branch of service trim with white piping was made on those.

I was told that the earlier ones used the wool, then switched to silk which does not want to last for over 100 years. I checked the Encyclopedia of United States Army Insignia and Uniforms but it does not go into any fine details on the subject.

Found this post http://www.usmilitar...er +full +dress  but there is no close-up of the collar.


Edited by toshik, 17 May 2014 - 10:53 AM.


#2 toshik

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Posted 19 May 2014 - 06:57 PM

Not too many of us have these unifroms I guess?

Also were the engineers using the designated shoulder boards buttons-nuts, or they were using the regular army ones?



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Posted 22 May 2014 - 02:21 PM

The owner of the one from the first thread is out of the country does anybody else have this uniform or answer the questions?



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Posted 22 May 2014 - 02:33 PM

I think you're right - probably not many out there. When people here have info they are happy to share.



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 09:51 AM

So there are only two owners of 1902 engineer full dress frock coats in the whole country? :-)



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 05:38 AM

Maybe I'm asking in the wrong place? I feel pathetic asking same question over and over with no response... If moderator thinks so please move the thread to the right place.


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#7 Dr_rambow

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 05:51 AM

I have a few 1902 uniforms, but no officer unfortunately.



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Posted 29 May 2014 - 06:01 AM

Collar piping looks different on them? Need details of collar branch of service trim piping - looks sewn-on white soutache onto scarlett wool to me. Picture property of Pointedcuffs

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 06:51 PM

I broke every traffic rule to get home, ran past the wife, crabbed my camera and snapped these for you! 2 pics of grosgrain and 2 pics of cloth. Let me know if you need more.

 

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#10 Pointedcuffs

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 06:52 PM

Cloth Pics

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Posted 31 May 2014 - 07:02 PM

The white piping can be found at a fabric store. To answer your other question, the buttons for the knots are Engineer buttons like the rest of the coat. Post some pics of your coat if you don't mine.



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Posted 31 May 2014 - 07:04 PM

Thank you Sir!

I see 2 different collars - am I right?



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Posted 31 May 2014 - 07:09 PM

Yes 2 of the grosgrain and 2 of the cloth




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