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#26 B-17Guy

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 06:53 AM

Thanks for the great comments Cliff and also, I completely forgot that you have that die! 

How cool it that!

 

Here is a better close up of the shoulders of the snowflake vs non-snowflake.

 

In the snowflake backed (gilt), the smooth area around the edges is much wider and the details appear

slightly different in the shoulder itself.

 

Also, notice the dip at the top edge of the smooth portion of the shoulder as it runs out to the wing tip.

 

Best, John

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#27 B-17Guy

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Posted 21 April 2014 - 07:39 AM

Here is a full pic of the two together.

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#28 CliffP

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 01:54 PM

ANOTHER INTERESTING STUDY:

 

Hello John,

 

Just for fun I grouped your gold Pilot Instructor wings between Mel's pilot badge and the Link die. 

 

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 03:09 PM

Outstanding work gentleman! I am viewing on a phone and look forward to getting the time to view at home. There are objective differences such as the dip in the shoulder which need thought and consideration as to whether a new die was made it seems . Thank you for your time and effort..

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:15 PM

The information and insight you all are sharing is worthy of a book!  Great exchanges of intel! 

 

For me, the noticeable differences between the two patterns is found between the ribs on the shield. The Amcraft pattern has modest vertical lines running between the ribs...while the Link pattern has rather small distinct horizontal lines between those ribs.

 

Here's a dated, identified and inscribed Link variation:

 

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:22 PM

Inscribed on the back, "To Capt. L. D. Crawford - April 1929 - From Capt. C. A. Pursley."

 

 

 

 

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Posted 25 April 2014 - 08:23 PM

Poor images...here's another.

 

 

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 07:44 AM

russ, that is one beautiful and outstanding wing.



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Posted 26 April 2014 - 11:13 AM

Some Thoughts

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 12:21 PM

Russ,

 

I think the badge you have that Captain Charles Addison Pursley (O8012) gave to Lt. L. D. Crawford (Reserve Officer) in 1929 is significant in two ways.

 

Not only was the badge struck from the second die (which may have been made by Amcraft), we can be sure that the die was made prior to 1929. 

 

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Posted 26 April 2014 - 07:25 PM

Thank you Cliff, or should I say "Master", because sometimes I feel like Qui Chain Kane...the kid in the old television series "Kung-Fu." Mel is the star in this week's episode; Cliff is the wise old teacher...and I'm one of the students restraining the urge to say, "Yes Master, but..."

 

I've got to tell you, I'm really enjoying this thread!  The rare badge images, historical information and willingness to share ideas and perspectives in uncharted research areas is very, very cool!  Thank you all!

 

Here's a period image of Lt. Eugene R. Eubanks photographed wearing his WWI style high collar uniform on September 19, 1924.  With a loop, I can see the wing on his chest has those small horizontal lines between the ribs on the shield identical to the example I posted above. This is a press-release photo describing Lt. Eubanks participation in the "Free-for-all military pursuit race" at the National Air Races in Spokane, Washington, in 1924.   

 

 

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 04:38 AM

Last week I picked up another wing to add to this thread.

It falls into the Amcraft style that Mel pointed out in the beginning of the discussion.

What is very unique about this one is that it has screw post fasteners on the back.

These narrow type of screw posts are normally seen on 1920's-mid 1930's era collar brass.

It is clearly done by the manufacturer, yet I don't think I have ever seen this on a post WWI wing.

 

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 04:39 AM

Back with fasteners.

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 04:39 AM

without

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#40 B-17Guy

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 04:40 AM

Close up.

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Posted 25 May 2014 - 04:54 AM

Beautifully made wing!



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Posted 25 May 2014 - 10:15 AM

Thanks, I only bought it three days ago.



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Posted 26 May 2014 - 05:38 AM

Really cool wing John! Congrats.



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Posted 31 July 2014 - 06:41 PM

Last week I picked up another wing to add to this thread.

It falls into the Amcraft style that Mel pointed out in the beginning of the discussion.

What is very unique about this one is that it has screw post fasteners on the back.

These narrow type of screw posts are normally seen on 1920's-mid 1930's era collar brass.

It is clearly done by the manufacturer, yet I don't think I have ever seen this on a post WWI wing.

 

John

I hate to say this but I don't think that wing is a vintage piece. Looking at how the back is finished and the posts are added does not look right. Also the patina color of the front of the wing does not look right either.




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