Identification? Airborne Ranger Infantry Company Scrolls

[ABNRANGER1-75]

I know there are dozens of post related to Airborne Ranger Company Scrolls and Generic Insignia for the Ranger Units between WWII and today. I found it interesting in today's 'internet' age that I can still come across variations/ not fantasy patches for WWII through Vietnam era Ranger Units at military and gun shows; but have never had photographic evidence prior to them surfacing at an event. Furthermore the poor economy has pushed a large amount of 'rare' items to the surface as collectors decide they need the money more than the patch. Which brings me to my question.

 

My question is--can anyone identify and provide photographic evidance that the attached scrolls were used in-country or by veterans after the war on ERDLs, RDFs,BDUs or Class A uniforms? Does anyone know their origin?

 

I have seen them in many advance ranger collections and most appear to have been sewn on a uniform at one time or another. In all my years as a ranger and since my time in service I have not seen a uniform or picture of anyone wearing this variation. My pair came from a former post-Vietnam era Ranger that stated that he obtained the scrolls while on Kitchen Patrol Duty in a Ranger Dining Facility.

 

Let the debate begin.

[ABNRANGER1-75]

For size comparison:

[patches]

And here you are,this from the Patches in Action Topic.

 

One of my quotes on this guy from that topic on the fact he appears to be non jump qualified.

I imagine the original members of these LRRP units must have been taken in to the newly designated Airborne Ranger Companies that their units were redesignated to, if not and these men who were not Jump Qualified and not taken on, that would mean a very large personel shortage in forming up these new units, and their operational status would be delayed by waiting for Jump Quailfied Enlistedmen. As it stood in early 1969, the Army already recognized they had a severe shortage of Jump Qualified Enlistedmen.

 

So maybe this G Company 75th Inf guy without any jump wings was one of the members of E Company 51st Infantry Americal Div, at the time the unit was redesignated in February 1969, and sequed into this new "Airborne" unit despite him being a non jumper, and as his tour came to and end, he along with any other original E Co 51st Inf LRRP guys, seen their places taken more and more by Jump Qualified EM specificaly volunteering for the Rangers

[ABNRANGER1-75]

Thanks but it is not the same patch. That is a great picture. I have the one in the picture along with G co pocket patch from the 'Americal Division' recondo school.

[patches]

Thanks but it is not the same patch. That is a great picture. I have the one in the picture along with G co pocket patch from the 'Americal Division' recondo school.

It's a subdued fully embroiderd genric Airborne Infantry Company scroll with squared ends rather than swallowtailed ends, just like the one's you posted, it may have slight diffenances, but it show the type was indeed worn in Nam.

[tredhed2]

Looks like the middle subdued variant in post #2 to me, too

[patches]

Looks like the middle subdued variant in post #2 to me, too

Yes tredhed, thank's for you esteemed input. Granted the one in the OP is a little less broad than the one worn by the Americal GI, but it is as I stated, it essentially being of the same type, Fully Embroidered Subdued with squared ends, both being slight variations from one and other.

[doyler]

Thats a nice picture.

 

I believe a lot of the scrolls were sourced from other places by units and I have a couple larger ones from N Co that were done in Thailand during the war.I sourced these right from the guy who served in a reserve unit after Viet Nam with the vet who brought home a shoe box full.I only regret not buying them all.Just bought 4 of them 2 color 2 subdued.

 

You also see the N Co scrolls made in the US or Japan.N Co wore a scroll with the metal jump wimgs below them on a black beret.Often seen is the scoll I mentioned.

[ABNRANGER1-75]

To compare. Here is the picture of the scroll pictured in the post from G Co Ranger 75th Inf.

Patch and scroll removed from uniform (both pictured).

 

 

 

 

[Patchcollector]

The scroll in post #9 does not look much like the scroll in post # 2

[ABNRANGER1-75]

I know there are dozens of post related to Airborne Ranger Company Scrolls and Generic Insignia for the Ranger Units between WWII and today. I found it interesting in today's 'internet' age that I can still come across variations/ not fantasy patches for WWII through Vietnam era Ranger Units at military and gun shows; but have never had photographic evidence prior to them surfacing at an event. Furthermore the poor economy has pushed a large amount of 'rare' items to the surface as collectors decide they need the money more than the patch. Which brings me to my question.

 

My question is--can anyone identify and provide photographic evidance that the attached scrolls were used in-country or by veterans after the war on ERDLs, RDFs,BDUs or Class A uniforms? Does anyone know their origin?

 

I have seen them in many advance ranger collections and most appear to have been sewn on a uniform at one time or another. In all my years as a ranger and since my time in service I have not seen a uniform or picture of anyone wearing this variation. My pair came from a former post-Vietnam era Ranger that stated that he obtained the scrolls while on Kitchen Patrol Duty in a Ranger Dining Facility.

 

Let the debate begin.

 

So does anyone have picture of the small generic Airborne Ranger scroll (post #1&2) being worn. I am looking pictures of small color and subdued scrolls.

[ABNRANGER1-75]

BTT. Any other thoughts or photo evidence of vet wearing small generic ranger scrolls in post #1.

[patches]

So does anyone have picture of the small generic Airborne Ranger scroll (post #1&2) being worn. I am looking pictures of small color and subdued scrolls.

When we do come across one we'll certainly post it, these things have a habit of cropping up when one least expects it. Take the photo of the Americal Ranger, this photo was posted in a compleatly differant topic, Patches in Action, I do believe it was the first suddued scroll based on the Korean War era generic scroll that was actually seen by members, most members at any rate, that are interested in this.

[ABNRANGER1-75]

BTT

[ABNRANGER1-75]

Btt

[seanmc1114]

Korean War veteran wearing the 3rd Infantry Division SSI with a generic Airborne Ranger Infantry Company scroll.

 

[tredhed2]

Korean War veteran wearing the 3rd Infantry Division SSI with a generic Airborne Ranger Infantry Company scroll.

 

 

Col. Robert Channon, author of Cold Steel Third, a book about the 3rd RICA in the Korean War. The title references their bayonet charge in Korea.

[Dukeq27]

I was in G Company Rangers 70-71. It was an Airborne Unit but since it was attached to a Leg division non airborne personnel were allowed. Cammies were not issued and bartering for them was the norm. Mainly with the USMC. At the time the scroll patch was not an authorized patch and I was told several times by various officers to remove it from my class As

[viking4zero]

This collection was recently acquired from the family of the Veteran. A sheaf of paperwork and photos came with the grouping, which came with the Randall Knife, model 2, that Myron Kelso carried in Korea.

[viking4zero]

Is it unusual to see a first name included on a uniform name tape?  Kelso's Randall Made model 2 is shown also, in a WW2 model 1 sheath ( not an unusual practice)

[Outtair]

The script on white was Korea in the 60's. This is an example I have last name only, and usually over the right pocket. Maybe added later and not his duty shirt.

[JerseyDevil117]

its the small german made variation worn on boonies.