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#1 doyler

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 12:35 PM

Here are some examples of the second type Jet pilots knife from my collection.From left to right are:
Camillus dated 3-67
Camillus dated 11-68
Ontario dated 2-80
Ontario dated 9-88

The 9-88 Ontario(4th knife) was carried by a pilot in the AirForce the others were all obtained at shows or flea markets.Comments welcome.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 12:36 PM

Also notice the differance between the tip grind on the Camillus and Ontario knives

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 01:18 PM

Also notice the differance between the tip grind on the Camillus and Ontario knives

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I have an unissued Utica.It is dated with gray paint on the pommel top.Any Idea of value?Thanks,Pony.

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Posted 28 April 2008 - 01:52 PM

I have an unissued Utica.It is dated with gray paint on the pommel top.Any Idea of value?Thanks,Pony.


I don't recall ever seeing a dated Utica - would you mind telling me the date and a clear photo if possible?

The gray (or blue-gray) paint is correct, was for rust resistance after the pommel was peened on.

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 03:33 AM

I have an unissued Utica.It is dated with gray paint on the pommel top.Any Idea of value?Thanks,Pony.

>>> Post photos > value depends on Condition & Date.

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 01:20 PM

>>> Post photos > value depends on Condition & Date.

Here is the unissued Utica Jet Pilot's Knife.I think it's quite rare.Anybody wanna take a guess at value?Thanks,Pony. SORRY,It is not dated!

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 02:55 PM

Here is the unissued Utica Jet Pilot's Knife.I think it's quite rare.Anybody wanna take a guess at value?Thanks,Pony. SORRY,It is not dated!


Yes, it is quite rare, and good luck on getting a value. In the past 10 years or so I have only seen two ot these, one sold on eBay sometime back but was in well used condition. The other one was in a private collection, not for sale. Value? Whatever someone wants to pay as there is no established value for these. If you want to find out, put it on eBay with a high reserve and see what happens.

US Military Knives, Bayonets and Machetes Price Guide shows $1000 and up.

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 03:09 PM

Yes, it is quite rare, and good luck on getting a value. In the past 10 years or so I have only seen two ot these, one sold on eBay sometime back but was in well used condition. The other one was in a private collection, not for sale. Value? Whatever someone wants to pay as there is no established value for these. If you want to find out, put it on eBay with a high reserve and see what happens.

US Military Knives, Bayonets and Machetes Price Guide shows $1000 and up.

Gary,As I stated,it is not dated.Does that make a difference?Pony.

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 03:15 PM

In Coles book volumeIII on page 147 Cole states the manufacture of the Jet knife after 1962 when it was shortened one inch was made by Camillius and Milpar and at this time is being made by Utica Cutlery Co and the Ontario Knife Co of New York.I presume he is stating at the time of the drawing for the book.I see the drawing is dated under his signiture: M.H.COLE 71(1971)the book is dated 1979 but many of the plates were brought over from book I and book II.I would say your Utica is early 70s vintage.I also see there is no steel tip on your sheath wich is to me an early model.Some later sheaths had a metal tip and the last ones like the ones in my earlier post dated in the 1980s have a metal tip that wraps over the end and extends up the back of the sheath half way.

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 03:16 PM

Yes, it is quite rare, and good luck on getting a value. In the past 10 years or so I have only seen two ot these, one sold on eBay sometime back but was in well used condition. The other one was in a private collection, not for sale. Value? Whatever someone wants to pay as there is no established value for these. If you want to find out, put it on eBay with a high reserve and see what happens.

US Military Knives, Bayonets and Machetes Price Guide shows $1000 and up.


What does the guide say for a Marbles 6 inch,blue model in exc plus condition?

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 04:52 PM

1. None of the few known Utica's are dated. They are so uncommon that it may be that all that were made was a small test run to submit for a possible contract. Frank Trzaska mentions in one of his articles that he had seen only one for sale in 20 years, and had been actively searching for one for a friend for 6 years. That degree of scarcity has to indicate either a very small (less than 100, maybe much less) production run or that the bulk of them went somewhere other than in regular US inventory. I know of a few scarce knives where the production run is known to have been well under 1000 and I see them far more often than the Utica Jet Pilot knife.

2. The book says that a Marbles 6 inch Jet Pilot knife, blued, is valued at $1200 and up.

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Posted 29 April 2008 - 05:42 PM

Gary
Thanks for the update.I agree the Utica is pretty scarce.I have also seen Franks articles.I was trying to put a time frame on the knife by useing Coles book and drawings,since the Uticas are note dated and Coles original drawing was dated 71.Could have been made earlier.They do have the same look and finnish as the other contracted knives of that period.Will be fun to start looking for one!!!You dont even see the 1980s dated one much at shows anymore.Take care

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 02:55 AM

Gary
Thanks for the update.I agree the Utica is pretty scarce.I have also seen Franks articles.I was trying to put a time frame on the knife by useing Coles book and drawings,since the Uticas are note dated and Coles original drawing was dated 71.Could have been made earlier.They do have the same look and finnish as the other contracted knives of that period.Will be fun to start looking for one!!!You dont even see the 1980s dated one much at shows anymore.Take care

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Thanks for the research help on my Utica knife.I guess I have a really scarce bird.Pony.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 05:45 AM

A nice collection of knives. Any idea why the top of the pommel was painted grey? And did all makers paint the pommels?

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 07:05 AM

A nice collection of knives. Any idea why the top of the pommel was painted grey? And did all makers paint the pommels?

Thanks for the comment.
The theory on painted pommels was to inhibit rust.The pommel,after being peened down was bright unfinnshed metal.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 08:09 AM

Thanks for the comment.
The theory on painted pommels was to inhibit rust.The pommel,after being peened down was bright unfinnshed metal.

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Thanks Ron.

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 06:56 PM

$1200 for a standard issue survival knife? Wow.

I better put mine in the safe!

I'll bet this is one you don't have in your collection. I bought this in the late 1970's and carried it on my web gear for nine years of service in the Army.

As I recalled I paid a whopping $12 for it, and only paid that much because I thought it looked cool! A lot of the troops simply carried butcher knives or their favorite Boy Scout sheath knife. This was before the "Rambo" craze... none of us carried a knife worth any more than that because you were just as likely to lose it somewhere in the field.

The sheath was originally a leather tan color. This stood out like a sore thumb against Army subdued uniforms, so I dyed it black with shoe leather dye. It stunk for days. If I was out in wet weather, I had to dry it out, and touch up the dye with one of those funky bottles with the little ball of cotton on the end of a metal swab.

You will note that it is manufactured of high quality Japanese industrial steel. If you look closely at the sharpening stone you will see it stamped "JAPAN" as is the hilt. There are no other markings on it.

Probably the most serious thing I ever did with this was open a box or cut some rope. But you had to have something cool hanging off your webgear or you just didn't have that hard core look!

I hate to disappoint you... but to me this little knife and the memories that go with it are worth more than anything else on the market.

By the way, there are a lot of misconceptions about these as being made as fighting knives. Quite the contrary, they were meant to be a cutting tool in a survival situation. I remember reading a manual that said NEVER, EVER make a spear using the knife as the spearpoint mounted on a stick. Let's say you managed to stick a wild pig with it, and the damn thing ran off. You not only lost your spear, but your knife as well. What you were supposed to to was take the knife and use it to sharpen the end of a stick, and use that as a weapon. If you stuck the pig and it ran off, you still had your hardened steel cutting tool to sharpen ANOTHER stick!

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Posted 30 April 2008 - 06:57 PM

And the mark of quality....

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 05:15 AM

Here's a mint condition Vietnam period made > Dated: "1-1969" "ONTARIO"; so this should put to rest notion (posted by another collector); that "Ontario didn't make these knives during the Vietnam War".

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Posted 04 May 2008 - 05:19 AM

Here's an early near mint condtion Blade Marked "CAMILLUS"; from My collection.

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