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#1 costa

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 04:07 PM

this wing sold for 711.00 on you pay and he did pay. what is so special about this???????? are they rear or limited in number???

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#2 costa

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 04:08 PM

this wing sold for 711.00 on you pay and he did pay. what is so special about this????????

 

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Posted 05 October 2013 - 04:48 PM

Kinney's aren't very common and the feathering pattern is very nice, very similar to Blackinton.  However $700+ is a bit over the top.  But hey, somebody really wanted it.



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 05:00 PM

Patrick often mentions being patient in pursuit of wings because a better priced piece can often be found. I picked one up last year for $350. IMHO, this price has the "I've got to have it right now" premium added in.



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 05:20 PM

question----- is it pre war and did kinney make other variations???



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Posted 05 October 2013 - 06:18 PM

I agree with mshaw's opinion on worth......Maybe a little higher if it was "sterling" marked.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 07:45 AM

this wing sold for 711.00 on you pay and he did pay. what is so special about this???????? are they rear or limited in number???

 

:wacko: Just curious why anyone would bid over $700 for a wing he knew nothing about and then question what was so special about it? 



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 07:51 AM

 
:wacko: Just curious why anyone would bid over $700 for a wing he knew nothing about and then question what was so special about it? 


I don't think costa bought it - I think he was saying somebody paid through the nose, but not him.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 08:08 AM

yes nack----- i didn't. just wanted to know what is the big hoo ha about these.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 09:29 AM

Ebay is just like live auctions. Sometimes one can pick up a bargain and in another auction, two guys get in a bidding war and pay an unbelievable sum for something. Set a good price for it and if it goes beyond that, walk away. I sat in a live aucion two years ago and watched a guy pay $16,000 for a Civil War drum that could be purchased from the highest priced dealer for $5,000.

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 12:39 PM

Kenney Co was selling wings pre-war.  More than likely the wings themselves were made by Blackinton using Blackinton dies.

 

As a pre-war wing, it is rather rare, but not in the 700+$ range of rare.  But I have seen a number of crazy prices being spent for some of the earlier wings for some reason.  

 

I grabbed my wing off of ebay for a buy it now price of ~150$.  Patience, patience, patience.  They aren't going to spoil.

 

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Posted 06 October 2013 - 12:42 PM

I have a sterling silver bracelet which incorporates a beautiful miniature wing by Kinney. It's marked US Army Air Corps.



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Posted 06 October 2013 - 05:17 PM

General consensus is that Kinney did not make any wing badges after the mid to late 1920's.

 

I have noted three variations in back marks on Kinney pilot wings; no hallmark, Kinney hallmark,

and Kinney hallmark + sterling mark.

 

It is a completely different pattern then the Blackinton and encountered far less often.

 

John

 

Below is Kinney hallmark circa 1931

 

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 09:56 AM

question----- is it pre war and did kinney make other variations???

 

Costa, regarding your question as to Kinney Co. wings being produced "pre-war", let me share my ideas on the subject.  I've always considered roughly 1935 thru 1941 as "pre-war" for U.S. involvement in the Second World War. As John mentioned above, I too believe the Kinney Co. hallmarked Pilot wing you've posted and all other similarly marked full size Kinney Co. aerial badges were produced during a very short time span immediately after WWI. So, the wing you've posted is a wonderful example of a very early 1920's "inter-war" period Pilot badge.

 

Like the Link Company, in the early 1920's Kinney Company produced a very limited and select number of aerial badge ratings...hence their strong desirability amongst collectors.  It appears Kinney Company changed their production focus in the late 1920's to include prop/wing collar pieces, bracelets and sweetheart pieces, but discontinued their line of full size badges.  I believe they went out of business in the early 1930's.    

 

 

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 09:58 AM

Is that so?! So my Kinney "US Army Air Corps" wing bracelet is that old?



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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:01 AM

Here's a few other examples of full size Kinney Company produced badges from the early 1920's. 

 

 

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Posted 07 October 2013 - 10:19 AM

Reverse image of the 1920's Kinney Company produced badges...

 

 

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:32 PM

I suppose some one could say he did not buy that Kinney pilot wing even if he technically did. 

 

How could that be?   :huh:

 

After winning the auction the original buyer probably thought he had foolishly paid too much and backed out of the trade; therefore, one could say since no money exchanged hands he technically never bought it.  :dry:

 

But the story has a happy ending.  The seller relisted the wing on eBay as a Buy-it-Now and it has a wonderful new home.   

 

I'm happy for the new owner.  It's a beautiful badge considered by many to be quite rare and will make a great addition to a fine collection.  ;)

 

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 11:46 PM

Here's a Kinney "Air Corps" wing bracelet...beautifully detailed.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 06:55 AM

Beautiful set of wing badges Russ, all very rare.

Also, Ian, nice piece and typical of Kinney...finely made and high quality.

Here is my set of Kinney pilot wing badges.

All are from the same die, but with varying back marks and some very slight

differences in findings.

 

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 06:56 AM

Backs

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 06:56 AM

Close up front

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 06:57 AM

Close up back

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 06:57 AM

Gallery

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 07:00 AM

A very nice trio John. I note that the miniature on my bracelet has the same distinctive Kinney "house style" as its bigger brothers...particularly in regard to the shield.




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