Guest bsweeney Posted April 21, 2008 Share #1 Posted April 21, 2008 Reads Schrade cut co, bone handles, functions great! What can you all tell me about this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted April 21, 2008 Share #2 Posted April 21, 2008 "Schrade Safety Push Button Knife" I think they call them. Here's one model listed for $450: http://arms2armor.com/store/product786.html - also has links to info about the legality of owning these in various US states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnk568 Posted April 22, 2008 Share #3 Posted April 22, 2008 Howdy, If I'm not mistaken, you have a knife carried in the zippered compartment of the Paratrooper blouse. I have seen them in the books written about the 506th PIR and 502 PIR, 101st Aiborne. These were carried in that compartment to easily remove the shroud lines when they couldn't reach their boot carried M-3 knifes. They were attached by a lanyard to either the epaulet or bottoned top. Great looking specimend, wished I found it. John Krzos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted April 22, 2008 Share #4 Posted April 22, 2008 Click on this link and then scroll down to "101st Airborne Switchblades" http://www.101airborneww2.com/equipment2.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted April 22, 2008 Share #5 Posted April 22, 2008 Click on this link and then scroll down to "101st Airborne Switchblades" http://www.101airborneww2.com/equipment2.html Thanks for that link. Doing Google search for Jump Knives, Type M2 turns up a lot more info on these. By the way, if you have the real thing - where the blades pops out all the way when you push the button - then it is considered a switchblade. On legal reproductions, the blade only opens part of the way automatically: you have to do the rest by hand. Due to the US Switchblade Act it is illegal to is basically illegal to sell these from state-to-state which would tend to make it very hard to acquire one. Add to that various state laws prohibiting them and it becomes it even tougher. You really don't want to accidently leave this in your pants pocket when you go through the airport metal detector: you will end up missing your flight and maybe the next five years of freedom. The federal law does not apply to "the possession, and transportation upon his person, of any switchblade knife with a blade three inches or less in length by any individual who has only one arm." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentRock Posted May 7, 2008 Share #6 Posted May 7, 2008 Button knife patent Button knife patent II "straight line" Schrade Cut. Co Walden, N.Y. stamping was used from 1917 to 1946 Anyone have a picture of the ORANGE handled ones??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvage Sailor Posted May 7, 2008 Share #7 Posted May 7, 2008 I know the one you're talking about. We had the orange handled ones in our life raft emergency kits. They were always kept track of so no one with 'sticky fingers' could walk off with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
market garden Posted May 7, 2008 Share #8 Posted May 7, 2008 About two years ago I bought one of these for a whole $3.00. Dollars . It was sprung. These were made well before the war with the bone handles I think mine was dated 1913? and I believe it was still on the market during the WW2. A orange handled version was made during the war. I sold mine to a AirBorne collector for good penny. Wish I would have kept it now but I will find another. Market garden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copdoc Posted May 8, 2008 Share #9 Posted May 8, 2008 Anyone have a picture of the ORANGE handled ones??? My Dad turned in his jump knife in 1946. He said there was a 5 gallon bucket full and they just threw them in. He said he could have just reached in and grabbed a hand full or even just asked for the bucket when they got back. They dug holes at Ft Bragg and buried tons of stuff, US and German. I wish I had his issue knife. He told me never throw one in the bucket. Here are the Schrade, Camillus, Logan and unmarked shroud cutter only. The life raft knife I have is not a folder and in a rubber sheath. I did not know they put jump knives in the life raft kits. That is interesting. Was it Air force or Navy? This is the only pic I have. If anyone wants close ups of stamping let me know. These are of course post WWII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentRock Posted May 8, 2008 Share #10 Posted May 8, 2008 That is interesting. Was it Air force or Navy? Mr Trzaska wrote this article in 1997 ===> During World War II the United States Army Air Force issue knife was the Jiant Jack Knife I wrote about in the February 1997 issue. These were procured in large numbers during the war. When the Air Force was declared a military branch of their own, the knives went with them. Thus the first issue knife of the United States Air Force was the Jiant Jack Knife made by Colonial of provenance, Rhode Island and United of Grand Rapids, Michigan. With the advent of long range bombers and in flight refueling, many hours were spent flying over water. During the Korean War, bail outs were a common occurrence and in many of these instances aircrewmen had become entangled in the riser or canopy lines. While on land they can usually free themselves of the canopy, but in the water it is very different. A man entangled in these lines can find it near impossible to release his chute. At this time the crews were using the B-4 and B-5 parachutes. While they had one Capewell Release mechanism the other side was still attached to the wearer. Most aircrews of the time carried a standard hunting knife for just this emergency. This also creates problems while ejecting, such as hanging up in the controls or worse. It was found that most of these knives were lost on the parachute opening shock which left the wearer with nothing. Last but not least it was found that in these types of engagements, the crew member, hacking to free himself of the canopy also punctured his now inflated life raft or vest. In 1956 a memo went out looking for a new aircrew knife to replace the aging Jiant Jack Knife. This memo suggested many requirements for the knife, chief among these was the requirement to be used with one hand. The immediate response to this was the fixed blade knife. That is the route the U.S. Navy took with the development of the Jet Pilots Knife by Marbles Arms Corp. The (U.S. Air Force took a different route.... He wrote this on 2004===> The fixed blade, Cutter, Pocket goes back to 1960 from some examples we have seen stamped in ink. Both the green and the orange examples we have are stamped with the same Part Number, 60C6037, with the first two digits being the year of the drawing for that part. This example is 1960. The earliest models are date stamped and are all green, at least in our collection. The orange came in much later The latest date stamp we have is 1992 which is orange. All of these lace onto the parachute harness attached directly to the risers next to the jumpers hands for easy reach. Well I learned all about the MC-1 How about you guys Frank is the man!!! What's next!!!??? Current Knife Knotes (FORUM EDITORS NOTE: Because the Fair Use doctrine of US Copyright laws allows use of only short excerpts from copyrighted works, we have edited this and would refer you to Mr Traska's original works for more information) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copdoc Posted May 8, 2008 Share #11 Posted May 8, 2008 Mr Trzaska wrote this article in 1997 ===>He wrote this on 2004===> Well I learned all about the MC-1 How about you guys Frank is the man!!! What's next!!!??? Current Knife Knotes Interesting. I learned a lot also. I know a some of the old paratroopers call them shroud cutters but they were not riggers. One of the VN era guys from 5th Group calls them rigger knives instead of jump knives. I know the one you're talking about. We had the orange handled ones in our life raft emergency kits. They were always kept track of so no one with 'sticky fingers' could walk off with them. Can you tell me if these were AF or Navy rafts? I thought only aircrew and some AB had them. The ones without the clip blade are private purchase. Agree the Logan is sloppy but it does work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvage Sailor Posted May 8, 2008 Share #12 Posted May 8, 2008 Can you tell me if these were AF or Navy rafts? I thought only aircrew and some AB had them. The ones without the clip blade are private purchase. Agree the Logan is sloppy but it does work. USN - They were in the abandon ship kits on both of my Rescue/Salvage ships (Veterans of WWII/Korea/Vietnam) USS GRASP (ARS-24) & USS BOLSTER (ARS-38). The kits had fishing gear, the shroud knife, canned water, searats, signaling mirror, biscuits, first aid kit, compass, flare gun w/flares, batteries & bulbs for the flashlights/lifevest markers, dye pack, plastic blankets, sea anchor and I also think there was a small desalinator in there. Always wondered it that last piece really worked. One of my duties onboard as an 'Ops-Puke' was to inventory & service the emergency gear, battle station gear (helmets/gas masks/life jackets - both inflatable & mae west) and the work boat/life raft gear. Being Salvors & Divers tasked with rescues, we would use our workboats & lifesaving gear on a regular basis. The knives were a controlled item to keep them out of reach from souvenier hunters. It wasn't like we didn't have blades in the Junk Boat Navy we all had Buck knives and Kabars and looked like a bunch of Pirates anyway..... Here's two of our Deckhands discussing the morning work assignments and another of us stealing a Destroyer we found on the high seas..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copdoc Posted May 8, 2008 Share #13 Posted May 8, 2008 USN - They were in the abandon ship kits on both of my Rescue/Salvage ships (Veterans of WWII/Korea/Vietnam) USS GRASP (ARS-24) & USS BOLSTER (ARS-38). The kits had fishing gear, the shroud knife, canned water, searats, signaling mirror, biscuits, first aid kit, compass, flare gun w/flares, batteries & bulbs for the flashlights/lifevest markers, dye pack, plastic blankets, sea anchor and I also think there was a small desalinator in there. Always wondered it that last piece really worked. One of my duties onboard as an 'Ops-Puke' was to inventory & service the emergency gear, battle station gear (helmets/gas masks/life jackets - both inflatable & mae west) and the work boat/life raft gear. Being Salvors & Divers tasked with rescues, we would use our workboats & lifesaving gear on a regular basis. The knives were a controlled item to keep them out of reach from souvenier hunters. It wasn't like we didn't have blades in the Junk Boat Navy we all had Buck knives and Kabars and looked like a bunch of Pirates anyway..... Here's two of our Deckhands discussing the morning work assignments and another of us stealing a Destroyer we found on the high seas..... Thanks for the info and the pics as well as your service. I did not know that the MC1 was in those kits. I would rather have a fixed blade. I carried one in my pocket on a freshwater dive in 1970 something and it got so full of crud it would not work. Salt water would eat up event the stainless blades and the lock and hook backstap are a high corbon very rustable steel. small desalinator Always wondered it that last piece really worked. I have seen them and have wondered also. Worked with a team with a large one that really did work well, but you would need a pickup to haul it. Did you ever tast those "survival biscuits"? I can eat a lot if stuff but those biscuits are NASTY. You better hang on to the little fishing pack, (I have one in my truck) raw fish is much better. I wish they would bring back the B1 units and the candy bar in the searats. looked like a bunch of Pirates anyway..... That's OK, I see you are in the marine salvage business, my ancestors who did that in the Bahama and the Keys were accused of being pirates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvage Sailor Posted May 8, 2008 Share #14 Posted May 8, 2008 I did not know that the MC1 was in those kits. I would rather have a fixed blade. I carried one in my pocket on a freshwater dive in 1970 something and it got so full of crud it would not work. Salt water would eat up event the stainless blades and the lock and hook backstap are a high corbon very rustable steel. Ah, but there's a good rationale for this. If you're wounded or busted up, covered in bunker oil, frozen, burned or generally spent, you can't count on having two good hands to open the knife. A fixed unsheathed blade on a liferaft is cause for trouble. The knives were kept clean and bagged, unexposed to the salt air or water, so they were in pristine condition when you used them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
copdoc Posted May 9, 2008 Share #15 Posted May 9, 2008 If you're wounded or busted up, covered in bunker oil, frozen, burned or generally spent, WOW you know how to party. Agree on the life raft you want a folder. The only thing I ever found that kept salt water out of equipment was parafilm. I wonder if you can still get it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrentRock Posted May 12, 2008 Share #16 Posted May 12, 2008 Because the Fair Use doctrine of US Copyright laws allows use of only short excerpts from copyrighted works Fair enough I am quite an expert on The Fair Use Act as of late There is no stipulation as to short excerpts===> Notwithstanding the provisions of sections § 106 and § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include: 1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; 2. the nature of the copyrighted work; 3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and 4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors Each forum I have been on has their own special rules for The Fair Use Act I'll try and cut down on the excerpts I'll just post the links Sorry................. ******************************** Nice picture Salavage Sailor!!! You guys look like you are having fun!! Do you keep in touch with your old service buddies?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted May 13, 2008 Share #17 Posted May 13, 2008 Fair enoughI am quite an expert on The Fair Use Act as of late There is no stipulation as to short excerpts===> Notwithstanding the provisions of sections § 106 and § 106A, the fair use of a copyrighted work, including such use by reproduction in copies or phonorecords or by any other means specified by that section, for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching (including multiple copies for classroom use), scholarship, or research, is not an infringement of copyright. In determining whether the use made of a work in any particular case is a fair use the factors to be considered shall include: 1. the purpose and character of the use, including whether such use is of a commercial nature or is for nonprofit educational purposes; 2. the nature of the copyrighted work; 3. the amount and substantiality of the portion used in relation to the copyrighted work as a whole; and 4. the effect of the use upon the potential market for or value of the copyrighted work. The fact that a work is unpublished shall not itself bar a finding of fair use if such finding is made upon consideration of all the above factors Each forum I have been on has their own special rules for The Fair Use Act I'll try and cut down on the excerpts I'll just post the links Sorry................. No problem. I spent the better part of 30 years in journalism and I can tell you that it's not just forums who have varying interpretations of Fair Use. The major media companies (your Disneys, NBC's, etc.) interpret it to mean: "You can't use anything, don't even think about it!" For articles I'll generally post the first couple of paragraphs and then the link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvage Sailor Posted July 10, 2008 Share #18 Posted July 10, 2008 Nice picture Salavage Sailor!!!You guys look like you are having fun!! Do you keep in touch with your old service buddies?? Indeed, I'm a board member of NAFTS Our association holds reunions every year on a geographically rotating basis - Western US - Midwest - Eastern US - So that everyone gets a chance to come at least once every three years. The link to our website is under my handle below I also get together with my Destroyer shipmates now and then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Apathy Posted July 10, 2008 Share #19 Posted July 10, 2008 Hi bsweeney, nice knife you found and what a price, sad to say none of mine were that cheap. Here are my knives with various handles of bone, plastic, and one with metal sides. Sorry I don't have them to hand so I cannot give manufacture details or dates. Cheers ( Lewis ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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