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TRENCHED '20 PATTERN ENLISTED DRESS VISOR


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jeremiahcable

Here's an eBay pick up from a little while back. I got lucky on it and paid the princely sum of $27! The marine who owned it spent some time modifying it so that he could polish it until it looked like the sun. Of note is the interesting Meyer Metal marked disk that was on the back of it. Wonder where it came from? Notice how he completely obliterated the land masses and lat/long lines?

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kiaiokalewa

Aloha, This is interesting. I've often wondered about some US Army Distinctive Insignia that where part of the Philippine and Hawaiian Departments that I have or seen in some other collection. Being the spit and polish outfits that they were during the 1920's and 30's I guess this would make sense. I wonder why there isn't more examples of these field modified insignia floating around. You'd figure it would have caught on, the less time screwing around with uniform, the more time having fun with the boys at the athletic fields, in town or down at the local watering hole. The superimposed polar bear of this 31st Inf. Regt. DI was taken to the grinding stone and lost all of its details including its enamel eye. I have a 64th Coast Artillery Regt. DI that was also taken down to a plate finish and had its wings clipped down. Two others that come to mind also are the 41st Coast Artillery Regt. and the Hawaiian Special Troops. Three of the four are superimposed, the 64th CA is a modeled insignia. I hadn't seen other unit insignia done in this manner which make me think it was a "Pineapple Army" trend. Maybe your MC insignia was a result of being in the Pacific Basin just by basing it on what soldiers had done to their insignia here in Hawaii and in the PI. Mahalo, John

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robert60446

Hi Jeremiah,

Fascinating piece and great addition to your collection, but here is the question, wouldn’t be piece like this in direct violation of Marines code uniform?

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Hi Jeremiah,

Fascinating piece and great addition to your collection, but here is the question, wouldn’t be piece like this in direct violation of Marines code uniform?

regs were a lot more loose back then, but I imagine this would only have been worn on liberty away from the highers. see these trenched emblems...

 

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...?showtopic=7769

http://www.usmilitariaforum.com/forums/ind...showtopic=14148

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teufelhunde.ret

Jeremiah, a great example of "the trenching art" Any information about its owner? The collar disc that came with it, any ideas about the reason for use? I also note there appears to be some sort of engraving or stamping on the collar disc...? Thanks for sharing with us. s/f Darrell

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jeremiahcable

Thanks for the comments gents. The markings on the one disk are the very Deco looking Meyer Metal and directly above that on the other side of the square opening is the NS Meyer shield. Wish I knew what that disk came from.

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kiaiokalewa
Thanks for the comments gents. The markings on the one disk are the very Deco looking Meyer Metal and directly above that on the other side of the square opening is the NS Meyer shield. Wish I knew what that disk came from.

 

The brass piece in question is from any of the type III enlisted U.S. Army collar disc that I believe was introduced in 1937. Aloha, John

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kiaiokalewa

The brass piece in question is a type III enlisted members collar disc backing and I believe it was introduced in 1937. The type III took the place of the single struck type II which was introduced in 1923. See examples, all images taken from current ebay auctions sites. Aloha, John

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kiaiokalewa

Here's a better look at a variation of a type III collar disc. This particular style is in four pieces with the stud lock nut not attached to the brass disc. This was an improvement over the type that had the stud lock nut solder to the brass disc or a three piece system. The separate threaded stud lock nut kept the central branch device secured to the brass disc itself. Somewhere in my collar insignia I have a US 64 EM collar disc with the N.S. Meyers incised pre-WWII company logo. When I find it I'll post it. Aloha John

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teufelhunde.ret

John, thank you for the follow-up post & info, as I was left a bit confused by the previous post. Thank you, s/f Darrell

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