Anyone ever seen this?
Jump to content
Posted 24 June 2013 - 08:43 AM
How U do dat? (*_*)
So what do U think about dat patch?
Copy & Paste
Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:40 AM
I suspect there are some who know the patch and are waiting for the last second to bid. It a nice patch one sold for about $125 a while back.
Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:04 AM
Post-WW2 for the reactivated 44th Inf (PS). Same thing with the fairly common screw-back DUI. The 12th Infantry Division (PS) was reactivated on Okinawa for a short period of time after WW2 and I believe both the SSI (if it is a genuine item of wear) and the DUI were made for that iteration of the regiment.
Posted 24 June 2013 - 10:49 AM
Edited by kiaiokalewa, 24 June 2013 - 10:53 AM.
Posted 24 June 2013 - 12:27 PM
Interesting that it's an "after market" patch, considering that its still quite uncommon and seldom seen (even if it may not be legit). Maybe I haven't had my eyes open enough, but I've seen way more of the older made for collectors "Japanese War Crimes Trials" and "Nurenburg War Crimes Trials" patches for sale over the past 10 years.
Anyone know when/where it was made? Before someone shouts "Patch King", its worth pointing out that this is not a patch that to my knowledge has EVER been shown listed in any Patch King price lists, etc.
In no way trying to "wish" it into being real, just curious if anyone knows how this little patch came to be.
Posted 24 June 2013 - 05:40 PM
Posted 24 June 2013 - 05:56 PM
Posted 24 June 2013 - 06:07 PM
Thanks for posting the link, very interesting discussion.
Posted 24 June 2013 - 09:08 PM
It is evident what was used after the first issued 44th "red flannel" patches. Major Schneider came to the rescue and found a more suitable fabric (cotton) for future 44th patches. Triplet's final sentence below states this fact clearly.
Col Triplet explains the origin of the patch in his own words:
"I was quite dissatisfied with the prospect of wearing the carabao skull shoulder patch as prescribed for all Philippine Scout units. For this corporate regiment I wanted a distinctive insignia. It would be worse than useless to appeal to PGF or to the heraldry division of the adjutant general's office. It had been my experience that requesting permission to do anything unusual was generally futile. So it was up to me to devise insignia for the Fourth-fourth. After getting them sewn on 11,400 shirts the chances of staying there would be fairly good I hoped.
"But what insignia? A Moro kris, rampant, would antagonize all of the Christians and pagans. An Illocano shield would be a serious affront to the Igorots, and a Bontoc head ax would offend the Luzon lowlanders. No one group could be favored over another or we'd have trouble.
"Finally my doodlings jelled on a plain shield, shaped like the plan view of a canoe, three inches high and half as wide. This would be easy to cut uniformly, had never been used by the heraldry division, and bore no resemblance to any Filipino shield. The color -- red of course.
"So I asked Major Schneider to find, draw, beg or trade for a quantity of red cloth. It took some doing and several days. At the next officers school the cloth was distributed to the unit commanders with instructions for its use. Three mornings later the Forty-fourth stood Reveille as the Red Shield Regiment.
"They were simple but very eye-catching insignia, certainly distinctive, and had exactly the effect on the toops that I had hoped for. The men stood up all of their five and one-fourth feet tall, flaunted their shoulder patches at their carabao-skull branded brothers in arms, and swaggered a little.
"Several inspecting officers from PGF and AFWESPAC were startled into derogatory comments about unauthorized insignia in their reports. These I disregarded. General Hazlett, who was now the division commander, was quite pleased with the innovation and as I had hoped stoutly defended the wearing of the illegal red shield by his attached Scouts. Our pride ran high until the first shirts returned from the laundry. Major Schneider had only been able to pick up a small amount of cloth here, another type there, and a third batch of the required color somewhere else. In the laundering process the flannel patches had shrunk and puckered and the cotton shields had run in varying degrees, so that the sleeve and shoulder patch were both colored the same general shade of pink. An irreverent lieutenant suggested that the regiment be renamed the Mangas Coloradas, in honor of the red-sleeved Apache chief of that name.
"After that disaster the officers club fund came to the rescue and Schneider was able to buy a quantity of uniform, well tested, color-fast red cotton for future use, and with repeated launderings our left shirt sleeves faded to the standard khaki again."
-- William S. Triplett, In The Philippines and Okinawa, pp 151-152 (University of Missouri Press, Columbia MO, 2001)
Edited by kiaiokalewa, 24 June 2013 - 09:13 PM.
Posted 26 June 2013 - 11:32 AM
Edited by kiaiokalewa, 26 June 2013 - 11:33 AM.
Posted 17 September 2013 - 05:02 PM
Thought I would bring this back up. I bought a large Philippine patch collection awhile back and am just now getting to sort it. The patches in the group are from WWII through the 80's.
In the collection I found this one:
Classic older style Philippine made.
So did the Filippino Army continue to wear this after the US left, or is this one made during WWII - Occupation period?
Posted 09 August 2016 - 10:52 AM
Another of these patches is on eBay now:
Offered is an original WWII period US Army 44th Infantry Regiment (Philippine Scouts) shoulder patch as shown. Tapes to approximately 2 5/8 inches long. Does not glow under a blacklight. One of three that surfaced in San Antonio, TX many years ago.
From what I've read in this thread I believe that the cotton examples like the one in the link I posted are post war made.Is that correct?
Posted 09 August 2016 - 11:31 AM
0 members, 1 guests, 0 anonymous users