HolyHappiness Posted June 17, 2013 Share #1 Posted June 17, 2013 Ran across this fantastic article from 2004. Although I disagree with some of his points, I do believe it is a great read and thought provoker. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/3732417.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted June 17, 2013 Share #2 Posted June 17, 2013 If it had, I'd be calling you all "Comrade" whilst eating cabbage soup and driving a Lada! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bunkerhillburning Posted June 17, 2013 Share #3 Posted June 17, 2013 Very interesting read, have always liked the ' what if ' scenarios of history. Oddly enough, all my college professors looked down there nose at any such discussions which I never understood. A failed D-Day: how does it affect our relationship with the Soviets? Even FDR would have to figure Uncle Joe would drive to the coast of France. So, whats to be done? Withhold or suspend all supply shipments to the Soviet Union until concessions are made with the Russians? How would it affect Russia's planned attack on the Japanese through China? My biggest ' what if ' of the war: would Russia have been able to defeat the Germans without any American aid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted June 17, 2013 Share #4 Posted June 17, 2013 We would be driving Japanese and German cars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajbUSWM Posted June 17, 2013 Share #5 Posted June 17, 2013 If D-Day failed the Russians would have swept through to Paris and we'd all be /socialists today. Hmmm. No comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei Posted June 17, 2013 Share #6 Posted June 17, 2013 If D-Day failed the Russians would have swept through to Paris and we'd all be /socialists today. Hmmm. No comment. France is already a socialist country.... Had D-Day failed, we would be all kameraden and USA would be the enemy. No Indochina, Korea, VN wars so no USMF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rr01 Posted June 17, 2013 Share #7 Posted June 17, 2013 The outcome would have been only slightly different since the invasion of southern France had long been planned: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Dragoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww2relichunter Posted June 17, 2013 Share #8 Posted June 17, 2013 i disagree with the story completely !! if we had lost on DDAY i believe the russians would have been defeated if their was not a second front for the germans to fight on all power would have went to attacking the russian front, also all the positions and airfields we took and used to attack germay where vital, we took out their weapons and supplies, destroyed factories and moral of the people !! if this had not happened i think the germans would have crushed the russians also the germans would have had air superiority ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted June 17, 2013 Share #9 Posted June 17, 2013 i disagree with the story completely !! if we had lost on DDAY i believe the russian would have been defeated if their was second front for the germans to fight on all power would have went to attacking the russian also all the positions and airfields we took and used to attack germay where vital we took out their weapons and supplies destroyed factories and moral of the people !! if this had not happened i think the germans would have crushed the nazis also the germans would have had air superiority ! Could you re-write that in English please? Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack's Son Posted June 17, 2013 Share #10 Posted June 17, 2013 Could you re-write that in English please? Thank you! NO.....German, please. Remember.....we lost! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted June 17, 2013 Share #11 Posted June 17, 2013 NO.....German, please. Remember.....we lost! Well JS...as you alluded in your cars post above, Germany and Japan might have lost the war....but they won the peace for sure! A resurgent Germany calls the shots within the EU now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebuddy Posted June 17, 2013 Share #12 Posted June 17, 2013 if D- day had failed ???? It's somthing not worth thinking about !! as we wouldnt have had any say in any of the reprocussions anyway!! LB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebuddy Posted June 17, 2013 Share #13 Posted June 17, 2013 Well JS...as you alluded in your cars post above, Germany and Japan might have lost the war....but they won the peace for sure! A resurgent Germany calls the shots within the EU now! YES Ian and you drive one !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
everforward Posted June 17, 2013 Share #14 Posted June 17, 2013 I dunno.....Say if Stalin had pushed to the Atlantic coast and defeated the Wermacht, its hard to say how the US would have stood for that....and how Stalin would have behaved. After all, we were well on our way to developing an Atomic weapon, as you all know. Even with the spying we were still 3 years ahead of the Soviets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebuddy Posted June 17, 2013 Share #15 Posted June 17, 2013 BOOMSKI !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrei Posted June 17, 2013 Share #16 Posted June 17, 2013 The Reich has won the Battle of England. See it by yourselves here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajbUSWM Posted June 17, 2013 Share #17 Posted June 17, 2013 i disagree with the story completely !! if we had lost on DDAY i believe the russians would have been defeated if their was not a second front for the germans to fight on all power would have went to attacking the russian front, also all the positions and airfields we took and used to attack germay where vital, we took out their weapons and supplies, destroyed factories and moral of the people !! if this had not happened i think the germans would have crushed the russians also the germans would have had air superiority ! Interesting point... however the Russians had developed enough new technology to match the Germans. Plus the German's supplies would still be in decline. They would have run out of fuel and food by the end of 1945. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajbUSWM Posted June 17, 2013 Share #18 Posted June 17, 2013 I dunno.....Say if Stalin had pushed to the Atlantic coast and defeated the Wermacht, its hard to say how the US would have stood for that....and how Stalin would have behaved. After all, we were well on our way to developing an Atomic weapon, as you all know. Even with the spying we were still 3 years ahead of the Soviets. Give a communist/socialist an inch and they will take a yard. Then he would have blamed the overreach on someone else... that is what they do. Of course Stalin would have continued to France or until the Allies had landed to meet them in early 1945 perhaps. We would not have used a nuclear weapon on the Russians in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajbUSWM Posted June 17, 2013 Share #19 Posted June 17, 2013 Well JS...as you alluded in your cars post above, Germany and Japan might have lost the war....but they won the peace for sure! A resurgent Germany calls the shots within the EU now! How true... how ironic. If Japan stops its insane spending, then the future world super powers will be Germany, China, Japan and Russia.. Who would have thought that possible just 20 years ago. Very sad indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww2relichunter Posted June 17, 2013 Share #20 Posted June 17, 2013 Interesting point... however the Russians had developed enough new technology to match the Germans. Plus the German's supplies would still be in decline. They would have run out of fuel and food by the end of 1945. i understand your point but i must say that if the germans had the equipment and man power they needed then i think they would have crushed russian forces at stalingrad , crossed the volga and then it is just a matter of search and destroy i beliee in this case they would have been able to take the oil fields needed ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted June 17, 2013 Share #21 Posted June 17, 2013 You evidently are not reading my signature line, below!! We didn't roll over like our Gallic neighbours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebuddy Posted June 17, 2013 Share #22 Posted June 17, 2013 Right on Ian !!! does anyone think ,that any under equipped army could have survived such a winter that was Stalingrad ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted June 17, 2013 Share #23 Posted June 17, 2013 This little clip is very familiar and very dear to all Brits! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEDWDAMRBeU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajbUSWM Posted June 17, 2013 Share #24 Posted June 17, 2013 i understand your point but i must say that if the germans had the equipment and man power they needed then i think they would have crushed russian forces at stalingrad , crossed the volga and then it is just a matter of search and destroy i beliee in this case they would have been able to take the oil fields needed ! Oh yes... properly equipped, man power, and with necessary supplies (not to mention anyone but Hitler directing the show)... the Germans would have destroyed the Russians. Heck... if the US supply lines had been cut the Russians would have collapsed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlebuddy Posted June 17, 2013 Share #25 Posted June 17, 2013 This little clip is very familiar and very dear to all Brits! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEDWDAMRBeU PUT THAT LIGHT OUT !!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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