tony75 Posted May 19, 2013 Share #1 Posted May 19, 2013 Hi what are your thoughts on these cartridge boxes & knapsack I was thinking indian war frazier or mckeever box?? what period do you think the pack is im not sure what type of bullet that is 45-70 thank you for your time and help Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Patriot Posted May 21, 2013 Share #7 Posted May 21, 2013 The prize of the lot is the box frame knapsack. These are much more scarce than the standard M1855 tarred linen "double bag" knapsack that collectors usually find. They used these from the War of 1812 till just before the Civil War. These were always very popular with militia units of the period, with the majority of these dating from the hay-day of the militia period in the United States - 1840 - 1860. Yours is typical of the box frames that we see from the 1850's, and I feel that this is when this piece dates. These were also heavily used in the early days of the Civil War, when thousands of local militia responded to Lincoln's call for 75,000 volunteers to put down the rebellion. An added bonus is that it has been stenciled for the "5th Battery", likely a pre-war militia unit, or quite possibly an early Civil War artillery unit. You will also notice that the lower corner of the pack is stenciled "5/26". This designation likely indicates "5th battery, 26th man". The cartridge boxes are all Indian War period, and the round appears to be a 45/70. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony75 Posted May 22, 2013 Author Share #8 Posted May 22, 2013 Hello thank you again patriot for all the help I really appreciate it very interesting info on the knapsack thanks again Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RustyCanteen Posted May 22, 2013 Share #9 Posted May 22, 2013 Very nice finds! The round appears to be a standard .45-70 .500 grain rifle cartridge manufactured at Frankford Arsenal in 1887. The case should be brass,copper was used on earlier rounds. The cartridge has an external boxer primer as opposed to the internal Benet primers used on earlier loadings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony75 Posted May 24, 2013 Author Share #10 Posted May 24, 2013 Hello thank you rusty canteen for the info Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelDecker Posted May 27, 2013 Share #11 Posted May 27, 2013 The cartridge boxes are definatly Indian Wars, But the Box Frame knapsack is Pre / early Civil war. Great Finds! Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jprostak Posted May 29, 2013 Share #12 Posted May 29, 2013 I believe that the leather knapsack is an 1880s state militia item. I know both NY and PA used a leather pack. PA was very good at marking their items with the NGP. NY lists it's artillery units (as of 1908) the same as on your knapsack and seems to have only marked a unit and soldier number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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