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#51 WS60

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Posted 11 January 2015 - 09:54 PM

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Posted 17 June 2015 - 08:37 AM

I need your help again with button ID & age

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Posted 17 June 2015 - 03:43 PM

Backmark is "*Best & Co.*/New York", listed at 60 W. 23rd St. NYC. "Made Uniforms in WWI & II" per American Military Button Makers and Dealers; Their Backmarks & Dates, by William F. McGuinn and Bruce S. Bazelon. This reference also lists that this manufacturer made the "NA-131A type but smaller circle". This refers to the numbering system per Record Of American Uniform And Historical Buttons, by Alphaeus H. Albert, in which lists this button was used by US Navy Chief Petty Officers. I have also seen similar buttons listed as Merchant Marine or even non-military/maritime.



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Posted 17 June 2015 - 09:36 PM

Thank you so much, you always helpful in button questions. :excl:



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Posted 10 September 2016 - 06:52 PM

Thank you for this post, it is very informative and has helped me identify some of the uniform buttons I have been wondering about.  I'm sure it will help me again in the future.



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Posted 11 September 2016 - 11:20 AM

Glad it helped. Would be glad to comment on any others you might need help with - have several button reference books, just post or pm.
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Posted 03 November 2016 - 09:04 AM

I have run across a Police button with the backmark N S Co. AA Quality.  Does anyone have any knowledge of this company or the general dates of operation? The button is a silver colored Johnstown Police Dept.  tunic button with brass base and brazed shank



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Posted 03 November 2016 - 10:03 AM

Thanks for this thread!



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Posted 03 November 2016 - 06:40 PM

I'll add my thanks for putting this topic up. It's very informative and puts together a lot of info in one place. Very useful. I have never seen a copy of the Albert book. How good of a job does it do in putting dates to the buttons it classifies?

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Posted 04 November 2016 - 06:09 AM

I have run across a Police button with the backmark N S Co. AA Quality.  Does anyone have any knowledge of this company or the general dates of operation? The button is a silver colored Johnstown Police Dept.  tunic button with brass base and brazed shank

 

Will check my books tonight to see if this backmark is listed. However, the books I have list almost exclusively manufacturerers of military buttons and this maker may or may not be listed. Will check when I get home and advise.

 

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Posted 04 November 2016 - 06:14 AM

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I have never seen a copy of the Albert book. How good of a job does it do in putting dates to the buttons it classifies?

 

Albert's book is EXCELLENT for assisting in US military button identification. Also has a section on political buttons. However, only marginal help for dating buttons - will just give an era that a particular button would have been made. It's then up to the collector to further the dating process by analyzing backmarks, therefore assistance using some of the other books is needed.

 

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Posted 04 November 2016 - 06:15 AM

And thanks for the positive comments.

 


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Posted 04 November 2016 - 11:29 AM

 

Will check my books tonight to see if this backmark is listed. However, the books I have list almost exclusively manufacturerers of military buttons and this maker may or may not be listed. Will check when I get home and advise.

 

David

Thank  you, I have checked American Military Button Makers and Dealers by McGuinn and Bazelton, but might have missed something. I don't have Tice's Dating Buttons, (I'm looking for a copy though)  

I sure appreciate all the info you share on this forum.  I collect uniform buttons (military, police and fire) and livery buttons and find that knowing where to access the info is vital to identification.  There is a lot of crossover in the manufacturers so thought I'd try here.  



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Posted 04 November 2016 - 04:46 PM

Thank  you, I have checked American Military Button Makers and Dealers by McGuinn and Bazelton, but might have missed something. I don't have Tice's Dating Buttons, (I'm looking for a copy though)  

I sure appreciate all the info you share on this forum.  I collect uniform buttons (military, police and fire) and livery buttons and find that knowing where to access the info is vital to identification.  There is a lot of crossover in the manufacturers so thought I'd try here.  

 

I have checked Tice's Dating Buttons book but struck out - didn't see anything there. Also checked the McGuinn/Bazelon book, I didn't find anything there either.

 

I did a Google search and found a few other police buttons with this backmark. One seller listed it as made by Scovill. That's possible, but did not see that marking listed in the back die listings in Appendix A of the McGuinn/Bazelon book, which lists "customers whose names appear on the buttons manufactured each company."



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Posted 12 February 2019 - 02:24 PM

I was wondering which edition of Albert's book you recommend? I see there's the edition you mention in your post and a Bicentennial Edition. I really appreciate all of the information in this thread, it's very helpful and very interesting.



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Posted 12 February 2019 - 05:38 PM

I have the Bicentennial Edition. I'm not sure there is a difference with other editions, other than different printing dates, I could be wrong. But if there is a newer edition, may have some buttons incorporated in the right place in the book that were just lumped in a supplement at the end of the book in the Bicentennial Ed.

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Posted 26 February 2019 - 01:08 PM

I have the Bicentennial Edition. I'm not sure there is a difference with other editions, other than different printing dates, I could be wrong. But if there is a newer edition, may have some buttons incorporated in the right place in the book that were just lumped in a supplement at the end of the book in the Bicentennial Ed.

 

Thank you sir, I appreciate the information. 

 

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Posted 07 May 2019 - 06:13 AM

This seems the place to post buttons for ID. Picked this up a week ago in a group of buttons. It is 15.5mm, 3 piece. Top banner? bottom banner says Maine, 2 sailors, one with anchor other with? Any idea? Thank you f6d80877cbffa92e924e6c4c87c39366.jpg6c2e5442866ddc4e5342bc76b4a537cf.jpg Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk

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Posted 07 May 2019 - 06:42 AM

 

This seems the place to post buttons for ID. 
Picked this up a week ago in a group of buttons.
It is 15.5mm, 3 piece. Top banner? bottom banner says Maine, 2 sailors, one with anchor other with?

 

From what I've been able to determine, it's a State of Maine, state seal civil war coat button.  The Maine state seal was adopted in 1820 and has gone through several revisions. The seal is comprised of a farmer and a sailor representing Maine’s sea industry with the motto “DIRIGO” (“I lead” or “I direct”), which the word "Dirigo" is at the top of your button.



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Posted 07 May 2019 - 07:45 AM

 
From what I've been able to determine, it's a State of Maine, state seal civil war coat button.  The Maine state seal was adopted in 1820 and has gone through several revisions. The seal is comprised of a farmer and a sailor representing Maine’s sea industry with the motto “DIRIGO” (“I lead” or “I direct”), which the word "Dirigo" is at the top of your button.

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Posted 08 May 2019 - 09:03 AM

I echo aznation's assessment that this is a button from Maine. Probably worn late 1800's/early 1900's. State Seal buttons were popular for state militia units (and sometimes state officials) prior to the standardization of US Army buttons in 1902. The backmark is Jacob Reed's Sons / Phila, maker of many such State Seal buttons for several states. 

 

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Posted 08 May 2019 - 02:51 PM

You're welcome cagedfalcon.  Glad I could help.




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