
Post The Patch Type Crest Being Worn.
#1
Posted 23 March 2013 - 07:33 PM
I will add two examples in a bit.
#2
Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:12 PM

Next we see the patch type crest being worn by Lieutenant Colonel Robert McDade, 11th Air Assault Division, Fort Benning Georgia 1964. When this photo was taken in the summer of 1964 McDade was either a Divisional or Brigade Staff Officer in the 11th Air Assault Division. McDade in 1965 was giving the command of the 2nd Battalion 7th Cavalry 1st Air Cavalry Division when the 11th AIr Assault Division was inactivated and it's personel merged with the Benning based 2nd Infantry Division, and took it over to South Vietnam. It was McDade's Battalion that was hit badly in the Battle of LZ Albany on 17 November 1965 during the Pleiku Campaign, The Lieutenant Colonel McDade, his staff, and Headquarters Company were in the lead when it was attacked by the NVA, the 2/7 Cav lost 155 KIA, 124 WIA, 4 MIA.

#3
Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:51 PM
#5
Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:52 PM

And the type most likely being worn here.

Of note, this is the Grandfather of member Tredway17, and was posted in an earlier topic.
Edited by patches, 23 March 2013 - 08:54 PM.
#11
Posted 19 April 2013 - 08:14 PM
Found this gem, it's too good to pass up and not post this photo of a Manhattan Project Master Sergeant, the photo has been floating around here on the Forum in two separate topic, lets now add him here.
Here we see this Wartime GI wearing the Patch Type Crest for the Manhattan Project.
Edited by patches, 19 April 2013 - 08:15 PM.
#12
Posted 13 May 2013 - 08:00 AM
Here is an odd one. A soldier wearing the 90th Infantry Division SSI with 94th Infantry Division DUI's on his lapel. He could be a high point man from the 94th who transferred to the 90th for demobilization and discharge. However, I don't believe the 94th had enough time overseas in WWII for any of its soldiers to have earned three overseas stripes. Also note his U.S. and Infantry collar brass are worn on the wrong lapels.
#16
Posted 13 May 2013 - 11:35 AM
Curious, those two modern soldiers in ACUs are wearing the autherized Non Color Bearing insignia of these two unit's, the metal copy of their shoulder patches, ie a Patch Type Crest, it's ashame as the 82nd and the XVII Abn Corps had as their NCBU Crests designed way back, two distictive designed crests, these were dropped sometime ago, in 1990 and now they just use this PTC instead, but it curious, according to TIOH this old one for the 82nd was reinstated in 1998, but we see it is not being worn, why?
The old 82nd Abn Div NCBU DI.
http://www.tioh.hqda...nit.aspx?u=2846
Now the XVIII Abn Corps, TIOH does not give much info as to why if at all these were replaced with the PTC, but we see here clearly the one below, the NCBU DI is not being worn, just the PTC.
http://www.tioh.hqda...nit.aspx?u=2844
#17
Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:10 PM
Curious, those two modern soldiers in ACUs are wearing the autherized Non Color Bearing insignia of these two unit's, the metal copy of their shoulder patches, ie a Patch Type Crest, it's ashame as the 82nd and the XVII Abn Corps had as their NCBU Crests designed way back, two distictive designed crests, these were dropped sometime ago, in 1990 and now they just use this PTC instead, but it curious, according to TIOH this old one for the 82nd was reinstated in 1998, but we see it is not being worn, why?
The old 82nd Abn Div NCBU DI.
http://www.tioh.hqda...nit.aspx?u=2846
Now the XVIII Abn Corps, TIOH does not give much info as to why if at all these were replaced with the PTC, but we see here clearly the one below, the NCBU DI is not being worn, just the PTC.
http://www.tioh.hqda...nit.aspx?u=2844
I just assumed that the Division or Corps Command Sergeant Major wore the patch crest instead of the NCBU DUI. I have an old 82nd yearbook that I think is from 1982 with the same insignia. I'll try to scan it for comparison.
#18
Posted 13 May 2013 - 01:21 PM
That would be odd as all Divisional CSMs are in the the Divisional HQ,like wise Armies and Corps. One of the main reasons for the Army allowing the new NCBU DIs to be designed and adopted there back in the mid 1960s was to give Divisions, and Brigades within Divisions a DI of there own, the overwhelming majority of which had none, same with Armies and Corps, prior to this, if a DI was worn at all in these units it would be the Patch Type Crest as witnessed by that 1964 photo of Lt Col Bob Mc Dade of the 11th Air Assault Divsion (test).
#19
Posted 14 May 2013 - 09:31 AM
Thanks for posting these very interesting photos . For me , the Forum is like going to a museum .
Ed
#23
Posted 14 May 2013 - 07:30 PM
Sgt Charles Fleek 1/27th Inf 25th Inf Div, MOH Posth
Kinda grainy, but the Tropic Lighting is seen on his boonie, like Sabo with the 101st PTC, these type of PTCs were more than likely Beercans, and were really worn as an embelishment rather than the way they used to be worn, worn on the shoulder loops of uniforms, to include field jacket shoulder loops, garrison and Ridgeway/soft caps by Troops of Commands, Armies, Corps, and Divisions who lacked a unit DI of their own.
Good find on those two Armd Div officers Sean.
Edited by patches, 14 May 2013 - 07:35 PM.
#24
Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:03 AM
Here's a couple - almost! The officially authorized DUI for the HHC 1st Cavalry Division is the shoulder sleeve insignia with the addition of two gold stars on the diagonal stripe.
Here's pictures of two of the 1st Cav's Vietnam commanders, MG Harry W. O. Kinnard and MG John J. Tolson, wearing the DUI on their jungle jackets.
#25
Posted 15 May 2013 - 05:09 AM
Curious, those two modern soldiers in ACUs are wearing the autherized Non Color Bearing insignia of these two unit's, the metal copy of their shoulder patches, ie a Patch Type Crest, it's ashame as the 82nd and the XVII Abn Corps had as their NCBU Crests designed way back, two distictive designed crests, these were dropped sometime ago, in 1990 and now they just use this PTC instead, but it curious, according to TIOH this old one for the 82nd was reinstated in 1998, but we see it is not being worn, why?
The old 82nd Abn Div NCBU DI.
Here's a picture of the 82nd Airborne Division's Command Sergeant Major from the 1982 yearbook wearing the the patch crest on his beret. So this practice for the 82nd is at least 30 years old.
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