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#1 crazy-monsooner

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 12:40 AM

Here I want to show two small pins (1 and 9/16 in width, 3/4inch in height). Both are made in sterling silver with a rare mark. One wing has five stars. I never saw this mark before. It has three lines.
"CIEV' METAL"
"SPECIALTIES CO"
"CLEVELAND"
Any info. about this mark and manufacture are appreciated.
I found a similar pin in Flying Tiger Antiques homepage
Extremely Rare WWI US Air Service Unofficial "Ace" Pin

When a pilot gets 5 victories they become an ace. I think five stars may represent 5 victories.
I just want to hear how do you think about these two pins.
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb241/crazy-monsooner/CIMG2375.jpg

back of wing with 5stars
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb241/crazy-monsooner/CIMG2395.jpg

detail
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb241/crazy-monsooner/CIMG2396.jpg

back of other wing
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb241/crazy-monsooner/CIMG2386.jpg

detail
http://i211.photobucket.com/albums/bb241/crazy-monsooner/CIMG2373.jpg

#2 Paul C.

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 04:46 AM

That's Ron Burley's Site, he is a recognized expect in wings ( he is ASMIC's wing specialist) so while I have never seen anything like this , he probably knows what he is talking about.

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 08:55 AM

That's Ron Burley's Site, he is a recognized expect in wings ( he is ASMIC's wing specialist) so while I have never seen anything like this , he probably knows what he is talking about.

Monsoon,

I have seen these before, and as Ron says, they are strictly unofficial.

Based on the construction of your pin, the safety catch etc. I suspect that the pin itself was made in the early post WW1 period. As to when the stars were added? It could have been 1919 or 1989-- There is no way to tell.

Many of these sorts of things were made up for re-unions, and were never worn on a uniform. Putting them in the same class as veteran association badges. Also, I wouldn't put it past an enterprising faker to have jeweler put some stars on an insignia either.

Whenever "exotics" show up on the loose, always give them a jaundiced eye. If you can get them for a reasonable price, and you are happy with them, then by all means get them.

However without iron clad attribution, something stronger than; "the old lady I got them from said her uncle was a pilot or something," they are an interesting specimen--but I wouldn't pay a lot for them.

Chris

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 09:18 AM

Well said Chris!

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#5 John Cooper

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Posted 15 March 2008 - 09:21 AM

My rule of thumb on this type of thing and even more so when it is an expensive item...

caveat emptor

John

BTW I think there is a Thomas Tusser quote for this... I guess if you have some US aces shown wearing them in period photos and proof that it came from that person then maybe...



How many US aces in WW1? I did a quick check and found 50... additionally in it not interesting that both the pin posted here and the one on the website have the same number of stars? Just some thoughts...


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