Posted 10 March 2008 - 03:35 AM
Edited by Beau-Brummel, 10 March 2008 - 03:37 AM.
Posted 10 March 2008 - 03:36 AM
Posted 10 March 2008 - 03:37 AM
Posted 10 March 2008 - 04:02 AM
Hello,Hi Gents,
I picked this group up about 8 months ago from a French collector, not sure where he found It. I was told at the time that the GPC badge was for Polish Guard companies. The ID card Is French and there are a mixture of US and German patches and of course the GPC patch. There is also a photo dated 1949 which I am geussing Is his Mother. If anyone Is able to tell me more It would be much appreciated.
Many Thanks, Guy.
In tribute to the many thousands of Americans of Polish descent serving during World War II in the U.S. Armed Forces.
In honor of the USAAF glider pilots who had to fly in the toughest conditions of all other combat glider pilots of World War II.
Posted 10 March 2008 - 12:38 PM
In tribute to the many thousands of Americans of Polish descent serving during World War II in the U.S. Armed Forces.
In honor of the USAAF glider pilots who had to fly in the toughest conditions of all other combat glider pilots of World War II.
Posted 10 March 2008 - 12:52 PM
Posted 10 March 2008 - 01:07 PM
The patch is beautiful. Frankly speaking I see this design for the first time. The "GP.C" as possible abbreviation of "Guard Polish Company" sounds logically.I agree that must be a very early Labor Service guard patch, "Guard Company" with "P" for Polish in the center.
Yes, I agree.Seems to me that the guards at the photo wear a patch like one of these shown in the center of the plate below.
In tribute to the many thousands of Americans of Polish descent serving during World War II in the U.S. Armed Forces.
In honor of the USAAF glider pilots who had to fly in the toughest conditions of all other combat glider pilots of World War II.
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Posted 10 March 2008 - 01:31 PM
Posted 10 March 2008 - 01:38 PM
Posted 11 March 2008 - 01:05 AM
I researched the subject of black uniforms with former Polish LS guardsmen. The history of black uniforms is a little more complicated and conflictogenic. All Polish guardsmen confirm that at the beginning – through long months or maybe a year – all international armed LS units were uniformed in normal olive drab US Army clothes. For the Germans olive drab uniformed international LS Guard was the same as US Army. It was big problem for the US Army reputation. Let's say it frankly that international LS guardsmen needed first of all intensive psychological care but not weapon to their hands. Sooner or later serious conflicts between them and the Germans were guaranteed in such circumstances. As former POWs of nazi camps those people from entire Europe many times were tortured physically and psychically by the Germans and after hostilities they look for personal revenge or general revenge against the Germans. Private "hunting" for nazi officials was "normal" then although not tolerated officially by the US Army. In the Germans' eyes all possible misdemeanours, delinquencies and crimes by olive drab uniformed international LS units were the acts of permanent US Army aggression against new Germany built then. It was unacceptable for the US Army of course. Local US Army commanders responsible for LS Guard many times intervened in LS units to keep those units by "iron hand" on a tight rein and to carry up discipline at much higher level. Those US Army appeals for much higher discipline in the international LS units many times were unsuccessful. There was no other solution than stop ruining US Army reputation and "iron hand" had to operate against all law violations by both the Germans and LS Guard. Simultaneously US Army decided to differentiate its own units from the LS Guard. The US authorities ordered dye black all LS Guard clothes and various PR activities were done then in the midst of Germans that olive drab means US Army and black means international LS Guard.polish labor guard -- the black uniforms that you shown in the picture was used in the first 5 years after the war the industrial police was wearing this uniforms too and the lithuanian and other nations too
That is excellent website. I do not understand too much there because I learnt German 35 years ago and never had an opportunity to speak German but I see and feel this is very informative content. Congratulations for your friend and you as a supporting person.heres a good site from an friend of me with good information
i have posted there many insignias
here is the link
http://www.usfava.com/LaborService/
In tribute to the many thousands of Americans of Polish descent serving during World War II in the U.S. Armed Forces.
In honor of the USAAF glider pilots who had to fly in the toughest conditions of all other combat glider pilots of World War II.
Posted 11 March 2008 - 03:36 AM
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 07:26 AM
hi when you have an helpful information please p e mail the owner of the site his e mail is on the siteHello,
I researched the subject of black uniforms with former Polish LS guardsmen. The history of black uniforms is a little more complicated and conflictogenic. All Polish guardsmen confirm that at the beginning – through long months or maybe a year – all international armed LS units were uniformed in normal olive drab US Army clothes. For the Germans olive drab uniformed international LS Guard was the same as US Army. It was big problem for the US Army reputation. Let's say it frankly that international LS guardsmen needed first of all intensive psychological care but not weapon to their hands. Sooner or later serious conflicts between them and the Germans were guaranteed in such circumstances. As former POWs of nazi camps those people from entire Europe many times were tortured physically and psychically by the Germans and after hostilities they look for personal revenge or general revenge against the Germans. Private "hunting" for nazi officials was "normal" then although not tolerated officially by the US Army. In the Germans' eyes all possible misdemeanours, delinquencies and crimes by olive drab uniformed international LS units were the acts of permanent US Army aggression against new Germany built then. It was unacceptable for the US Army of course. Local US Army commanders responsible for LS Guard many times intervened in LS units to keep those units by "iron hand" on a tight rein and to carry up discipline at much higher level. Those US Army appeals for much higher discipline in the international LS units many times were unsuccessful. There was no other solution than stop ruining US Army reputation and "iron hand" had to operate against all law violations by both the Germans and LS Guard. Simultaneously US Army decided to differentiate its own units from the LS Guard. The US authorities ordered dye black all LS Guard clothes and various PR activities were done then in the midst of Germans that olive drab means US Army and black means international LS Guard.
That is excellent website. I do not understand too much there because I learnt German 35 years ago and never had an opportunity to speak German but I see and feel this is very informative content. Congratulations for your friend and you as a supporting person.
I would add only small detail to this website that the Polish black uniformed guardsmen worked also at Göppingen in the 46th Ordnance MM Company under the command of Capt. Richard T. Wilson.
Best regards
Greg
Posted 11 March 2008 - 07:54 AM
Does he speak English? It would be good thing to invite him for the USMF. Our common knowledge could be very useful for all forumers. I guess that our American friends and hosts know not too much about this aspect of the US Army's activities in the ETO.hi when you have an helpful information please p e mail the owner of the site his e mail is on the site
he is happy when he becomes information too from other collectors
In tribute to the many thousands of Americans of Polish descent serving during World War II in the U.S. Armed Forces.
In honor of the USAAF glider pilots who had to fly in the toughest conditions of all other combat glider pilots of World War II.
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Posted 11 March 2008 - 02:59 PM
hi yes he speaks english i think he is registered here and read sometimes the topics but im not sureHello GERMAN-PATCH-HUNTER
Does he speak English? It would be good thing to invite him for the USMF. Our common knowledge could be very useful for all forumers. I guess that our American friends and hosts know not too much about this aspect of the US Army's activities in the ETO.
Best regards
Greg
Edited by GERMAN-PATCH-HUNTER, 11 March 2008 - 02:59 PM.
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