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Army visor cap - WW2?

Started by Flip74 , Feb 13 2013 05:41 AM

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#1 Flip74

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:41 AM

Hi everybody,

I got this visor cap and I assume that this is WW2 era. Can you confirm that?

Thanks for your opinion!

Best regards
Philipp

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#2 Flip74

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:42 AM

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 05:57 AM

Looks not unlike a private purchase EMs hat with an added officers' device. In WW2 an officers' cover would typically be dark OD elastique or felt with an darker OD band.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 07:58 AM

It looks like the immediate post-war material that matches the Ike jacket. As Sabre said, it could be an EM cap with an officer's device on it. Either way, I wouldn't regard it as a WWII cap.

Look for tags inside - sometimes they are hard to find. I bet you find a mid/late 40s date.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:25 AM

It is an officer's cap, as it has the mohair band that EM caps do not have. I would say it is pre-WW2 - mainly due to the color and type of wool.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 08:42 AM

I'm with Kurt on this one. I have a cap nearly identicle to the one shown.
my cap came with a pre war signal corp. officers group.

Nice cap by the way

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:19 AM

I just checked the Tonnelli book on US visor hats, Similar examples are pictured in there, circa 1930, so "pre-war" would be about right.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 09:47 AM

Another thing. The pre war officer caps are not nearly as "stylish" looking as the WW2 and later caps. They tend to look like they just have a pancake sitting up there.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:34 AM

It is an officer's cap, as it has the mohair band that EM caps do not have. I would say it is pre-WW2 - mainly due to the color and type of wool.


IIRC, somewhere in the late 40s the EM caps also had a mohair band.

I can't really see the fabric all that well, and it may be my screen. I'd agree it could be an inter-war cap. A better shot of the fabric would help. Also, a shot of the stiffener and grommet.

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 10:39 AM

I agree.The thickness of the brim and the color of the material says pre-War to me.As mentioned the style of the cap is in the pre-war form as well.There are pictures of Billy Mitchell wearing a similiar cap

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:16 PM

It is an officer's cap, as it has the mohair band that EM caps do not have. I would say it is pre-WW2 - mainly due to the color and type of wool.


While I agree this looks to be a pre-WW2 officer's cap, EM caps after 1947 did have the officer style cap band. Also, the leather was coated and had a shine to it on the post-war caps that this leather does not have. Enlisted visor caps, Left top; Pre-WW2 (1940) and bottom is WW2 (1944), Right top; Korea (1951) and bottom is Vietnam (1968).
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:17 PM

Ah-ha! Thanks Matt. I knew I'd seen EMs visors of that pattern!

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 12:24 PM

Here's a 1947 dated enlisted cap for comparison. These were very commonly seen during the Korean War.
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Posted 13 February 2013 - 01:37 PM

So, as I suggested initially, it could be an EMs hat with added officers' device?

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Posted 13 February 2013 - 06:29 PM

Possibly, but the thick flat visor and maker's label suggests pre-war manufacture. I'd like to see an interior photo and another under the sweatband.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 05:59 AM

The originally posted cap has all the characteristics of a pre WW2 cap. An enlisted cap of this era would not have a mohair band. Yes, a post WW2 EM cap could have a mohair band, but this one isn't post WW2.

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Posted 14 February 2013 - 08:48 AM

Would looking at the type of side buttons help, there were two types yes? one would be the type with the prongs, and the other would be the type with the eyelet and cotter key, like a normal shoulder loop and pocket button, the prong type, this would be the early type, while the one with the eyelet and cotter key would be one from WWII-post WWII, is that correct?

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Posted 20 February 2013 - 01:08 PM

Hi all,
I'm happy about this active discussion. Thanks to all for your replies and participation. Below you'll see some more details.
Hope this helps.

Philipp

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