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#26 seanmc1114

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:49 PM

Two pictures of the red Artillery ascot although the second shot could possible be Corps of Engineers since the soldier is not wearing branch insignia.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:51 PM

Maroon ascot worn by Engineer officers assigned to the Infantry School and an enlisted man of the 65th Engineer Battalion, 25th Infantry Division

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:52 PM

Yellow Cavalry ascot worn by Military Policeman of the 545th MP Company of the 1st Cavalry Division

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 05:53 PM

Soldier of the 77th Special Forces Group circa 1954. Color is unknown but could be bottle green as referenced in Post # 11.

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 06:57 PM

Soldier of the 77th Special Forces Group circa 1954. Color is unknown but could be bottle green as referenced in Post # 11.

 

Bottle Green was the branch color of Psychological Operations not Special Forces,which is Rifle Green (approved in 1987).  SF wasn't a branch during the time the 77th Grp was in existence. Teal blue and  yellow were the colors of "Unassigned" units. When first assigned to 7th Grp, I was issued a camo scarf,  which I don't remember wearing more than a couple of times.



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Posted 28 August 2013 - 10:09 PM

Maroon ascot worn by Engineer officers assigned to the Infantry School and an enlisted man of the 65th Engineer Battalion, 25th Infantry Division

Someone tell that Major to get his %^& # hands out his pockets!

 

 

Maroon BTW was Medical Corps, Engineers was Scarlet same as Arty as per your post in #26


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 08:38 AM

 

according to the military specification for manufacturing the following Classes and colors were used:

 

Class 1 (Black) - Chaplains Corps, US Army

Class 2 (Bottle Green) - Special Forces and Psychological Gperations Units, US Army

Class 3 (Brick Red) - Transportation Units, US Army

Class 4 (Buff) - Supply, Quartermaster, Supply and Services, Supply and Transportation ard Support Units, US Army and Coast Guard

Class 5 (Cobalt Blue) - Chemical Units, US Army

Class 6 (Crimson) - Ordnance and Maintenance Uinits, US Army

Class 7 (Dark Blue) - National Guard Bureau and Judge Advocate General, Adjutant General, Inspector General Units, US Army and Coast Guard

Class 8 (Green) - Staff Specialist and Military Police Units, US Army

Class 9 (Light Blue) - Infantry Units, US Army

Class 10 (Maroon) - Medical Units, US Army

Class 11 (Old Gold) - Women‘s Army Corps

Class 12 (Orange) - Signal Units, US Army

Class 13 (Oriental Blue) - Military Intelligence Units, US Army

Class 14 (Purple) - Civil Affairs Units, US Army

Class 15 (Scarlet) - Engineers and Artillery Units, US Amy and Permanent Professors, USMA

Class 16 (Silver Gray) - Finance Units, US Army

Class 17 (Teal Blue) - Branch Unassigned, US Army

Class 18 (Ultramarine Blue) - US Air Force & Aviation-Units, US Army

Class 19 (Yellow) - Armor and Cavalry, Units, US Army
Class 20 (White) Security Police, US Air Force ard Coast Guard
Class 21 (Camouflage) - US Army and US Air Force

 

 

 

 

Bottle Green was the branch color of Psychological Operations not Special Forces,which is Rifle Green (approved in 1987).  SF wasn't a branch during the time the 77th Grp was in existence. Teal blue and  yellow were the colors of "Unassigned" units. When first assigned to 7th Grp, I was issued a camo scarf,  which I don't remember wearing more than a couple of times.

I was merely referring to the first post above that mentions bottle green as an ascot color for Special Forces. I don't know where the information came from or whether it is correct. However, in the photo I posted, the ascot is clearly not camouflaged. It is a solid color. I also cannot make out what branch insignia he is wearing. It's hard to tell if it's a faded color picture or a hand tinted black and white picture. Either way, the ascot is too dark to be yellow. I guess it could be teal blue.



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Posted 29 August 2013 - 01:12 PM

Korean War-era 1st Cavalry Division soldier with yellow ascot and yellow piping on garrison cap. However, it may be a black and white photo that was hand tinted.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 01:14 PM

Signal relay team from Fort Greeley, Alaska mid-60's, probably wearing orange ascots.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 01:14 PM

OCS student wearing either Infantry blue or white ascot with the OCS patch in the center.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 01:18 PM

Infantry NCO candidate wearing Infantry blue ascot, shoulder chord and cap and collar device backings - 1967.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 01:58 PM

Signal relay team from Fort Greeley, Alaska mid-60's, probably wearing orange ascots.

Wow great photo sean, see how they are wearing Collar Discs on their OG wool shirts, that's something really not seen since the Korean War period like 53-54. Also the NON wear of the U.S. Army Alaska shoulder patch but rather the Technical and Administrative Services (The old Army Service Forces) shoulder patch


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Posted 30 August 2013 - 05:17 AM

Captain of the 508th Airborne Regimental Combat Team all decked out wearing the 508th SSI and an ascot, presumably Infantry blue, with a full sized 508th pocket patch.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 08:18 AM

Soldier wearing yellow ascot and if you look closely at the very left edge of the picture next to his collar point, you can see what looks like a yellow shoulder chord. He also appears to be wearing two U.S. collar discs but already has the National Defense Service ribbon that was awarded upon completion of basic during the Vietnam era. Possibly an AIT trainee at the Armor School at Fort Knox?

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 08:19 AM

Camouflaged ascot being worn by a trooper of the 82nd Airborne Division around 1966-1967. The helmet cover seems to match the ascot.

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Posted 30 August 2013 - 12:24 PM

Here's a similar one to the Armor Trainee, one Ralph Vitch, Infantry Non Airborne, 101st Airborne Division (Airmobile) KIA May 25 1969 (he was in the Life Magazine artical of June 27 1969. Here we see Vitch in what must of been an AIT portrait, as far as I know Basic Trainees would not were Branch scarfs, though unsure as to why only the scarf is worn by itself, with no Rope or Backing Discs.

 

Ralph Allan Vitch Specialist Four
3RD PLT, A CO, 1ST BN, 501ST INFANTRY, 101 ABN DIV
Army of the United States
04 March 1949 - 25 May 1969
Tampa, Florida
Panel 24W Line 108

The database page for Ralph Allan Vitch

 

 

 

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:31 AM

It's hard to tell because this is a black and white photo, but this should be Cavalry/Armor yellow ascot and shoulder chord being worn by an AIT trainee at Fort Knox. Note both collar discs are U.S.  He was a tank commander with the 11th Armored Cavalry Regiment killed in action in Vietnam.

 

http://www.sdvietnam...abahndarwin.htm

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:33 AM

Military Police green.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:35 AM

Unknown. Could it be brick red for a transportation (aviation) unit? It sort of looks like his branch is Transportation.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:49 AM

This guy looks like he's on R&R...decidedly un-military! The ascots weren't intended to be worn as civilian cravats like seen here...were they?  :o


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Posted 31 August 2013 - 05:51 AM

MG Ellis Williamson, Commanding General of the 25th Infantry Division in Vietnam. I have seen several photos of general officers wearing camouflage ascots.

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 06:20 AM

Armored infantryman from Company A, 1st Battalion, 41st Infantry, 2nd Armored Division at Fort Hood, Texas decked out with full Infantry regalia of ascot, shoulder chord and collar and hat device discs.

 

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 06:34 AM

Unknown. Could it be brick red for a transportation (aviation) unit? It sort of looks like his branch is Transportation.

Like Saber stated.Probably on R&R at home and 'Hey I want a pic of you in uniform.' moments.You gotta love those birth control glasses.I had a similar pair issued.



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:15 AM

Two more from the LIFE artical of June 27 1969, we see an Paratrooper in a unit before service in Nam, unit unknown, Blue scarf rope discs, with a Beret, with Tab and Oval, what unit was this???? what color is the beret????

 

This is the exact image from the Magazine Artical.

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Now this whole entry, I have just discoved is wrong, the soldier in the Artical is listed as one Dennis L. Babcock 19, PFC Pacific Grove Cailfornia, but the only Dennis L. Babcock also 19, KIA on 28 May 1969 was an E1 Infantryman in the 4th Battalion 31st Infantry Americal Division, he's listed as being from Mauson Wisconsin, odd how LIFE screwed that one up, they apparently got some info very wrong, not only was there no one with the name Dennis L. Babcock KIA or died from Non Hostile Causes (NHC) from Pacific Grove Califorina, but the printed the photo of the wrong GI, I hope the GI printed in the artical survived the war, and is still alive today.

 

The real Dennis L. Babcock's database, note there is no Airborne Wings listed in Babcocks graphics, if the GI, whether an Officer or Enlistedman, and he was Airborne, the Jump Wings are normally depicted, in fact always I would say depicted.

http://www.virtualwall.org/db/0b.htm

 

 

Vietnam War deaths of Pacific Grove residents. Scroll down to cities/towns that start with P.

http://www.virtualwa...ate/istatca.htm

 



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Posted 31 August 2013 - 11:38 AM

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And another Joseph C. Chisholm, a Combat Engineer. With Chisholm there is of course no error, however his date of death is given as 12 May, he may have been intiatly listed as MIA, and was discovered dead during the week of the compilation of the Deaths List for the week of 28 May-3 June, his cause of death are unknown, as is unit, they are not listed, the unit may have been the 26th Engineer Battalion Americal, not sure. As Joe Chisholm wears a scarf Red, this would be an AIT portrait, like the previous one of Ralph Vitch, he wears no BOS disc but rather a US disc, photo taken I gather at Fort Leonard Wood Missouri, the 1950s and 60 post for Engineer AIT.

 

http://www.virtualwa...isholmJC01a.htm


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