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#1 MattS

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:32 AM

I am negotiating to purchase this uniform, but there is no name with it. It is a 1971 McConnell style, blue shade 1549 coat with direct embroidered stars, "US"s, and command wings. The "US" insignia is not in the normally accepted position closer to the center of the lapels. Given the low position of the wings, there were probably only 3 rows of ribbons. Even at 4 across (as the USAF sometimes does) that is still about a dozen ribbons. The 1971 acceptance date narrows it down to about two dozen 4-stars on active duty during the early-mid 1970s. I hope someone here will be able to help me narrow down my search further, thanks!
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:36 AM

A few more photos.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:41 AM

Matt

Shouldn't there be a wider cuff band for a general officer?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:43 AM

Matt...IIRC, member tsakers85 specializes in this kind of GO collectible. Might be worth shooting him a PM?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:50 AM

Matt

Shouldn't there be a wider cuff band for a general officer?


Nope, the USAF generals didn't get the wider cuff braid until 1994 with the "retrofit" uniform.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:51 AM

Matt...IIRC, member tsakers85 specializes in this kind of GO collectible. Might be worth shooting him a PM?

Ian


Thanks Ian, I will do that. And congratulations on your 'promotion'!

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:54 AM

Thanks Ian, I will do that. And congratulations on your 'promotion'!


Thanks Matt! :blush:

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:24 PM

Nope, the USAF generals didn't get the wider cuff braid until 1994 with the "retrofit" uniform.


I did not know that! I'll never keep straight all of the USAF uniform changes.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

Are you sure those are direct embroidered and not bullion insignia stitched to the uniform, could you show a close of of them?

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 07:58 PM

I don't own this uniform, but I asked the seller and they stated the wings "looks like it is sewn into the fabric". They did send this photo.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

I did not know that! I'll never keep straight all of the USAF uniform changes.


It is true, even the Chief of Staff (with his special unique service cap) had the same cuff braid as a second lieutenant. Must be why General Hoyt Vandenberg looks so ticked off.
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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:10 PM

Did they check all the inside pockets/seams etc for any name/id markings, sometimes they're in out of the way places , see if they can check...........................

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 08:16 PM

They said they have checked and could not find any name. Without a name, I feel it is not worth nearly as much as an identified one.

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 10:15 PM

True , sad there's nothing to link it to whoever wore it ....................................................

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 06:37 AM

They said they have checked and could not find any name. Without a name, I feel it is not worth nearly as much as an identified one.


You are very correct in that assessment. If you are looking for an ID'd USAF GO uniform, wait for a solid one, as they pop up every few months on ebay or elsewhere.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:41 AM

Yeah, without an ID and without definite markings of how many rows the guy wore left as "scarring" marks in the lining on the left chest, this one would be tough to pin down. I wouldn't put out too much on it if I were buying it.

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 07:53 AM

I agree with Dave and CNY, so ballpark fair market value for an unidentified 4-star USAF uniform coat and pants would be....?

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:09 AM

$250 or less I would think, based on the bullion.

Edited by tsakers85, 07 January 2013 - 10:11 AM.


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Posted 07 January 2013 - 10:25 AM

I'd agree...I wouldn't put out anything more than $100 on it, but that's just because I'm cheap. ;)

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:49 AM

If it isn't his, it should be ;-}12.jpg


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 11:47 AM

Sadly, it would probably be worth more if it was worn by George C. Scott. Anyone remember Johnny Cash's USAF enlisted shirt and pants that sold for $11,520?
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Or the prop leather jacket worn by Frank Sinatra in "Von Ryan's Express" and made famous by Colonel Hogan that sold for $40,000? An authentic 4-star uniform for $250 seems like a bargain by comparison!
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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:47 PM

While looking on ebay I did find another USAF general's uniform. I think it's a put-together by someone who didn't even take the time to search for the correct ribbon precedence. And why are there no OLCs on the longevity ribbon? I don't know what that last ribbon is either.
http://www.ebay.com/...=item1c2efff352
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Edited by MattS, 08 January 2013 - 12:50 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 01:41 PM

The last ribbon is the regular KW service ribbon...but I'm not sure what the miniature eagle motif on it is meant to represent?!

Edited by Sabrejet, 08 January 2013 - 01:41 PM.


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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:37 PM

Yeah, I wouldn't touch that one.

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 03:41 PM

He could have at least centered the ribbon rack in the correct position. I think I'll keep looking.


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