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1930's US Navy Admiral Uniform, unknown name

Started by 501stGeronimo , Dec 14 2012 08:45 AM

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#1 501stGeronimo

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 08:45 AM

I picked this up years ago. Both named to the same Navy officer. Pants look like US Navy Admiral Pants and are named to E.L. Patch. Uniform has Admiral strips on cuff and is named to E.L. Patch dated 1932. The pants are dated 1911 which stumps me. I need help on identifying who wore this uniform. Could this uniform have been "recycled" and used by a US Navy Admiral in WW2????Thanks
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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:07 AM

In the 1934 Naval officer's register, the only E.L. Patch is Ernest L. Patch. "Patch, Ernest L. comdr (CC), Norfolk navy yard,
Forrsmonth, Vn" I don't see anything where he was promoted to Admiral. Also, I don't recognize the grade on the sleeve. I thought there were only three bands and the wide band for admiral. However, I am not an expert on USN, so correct me if I am wrong!

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:14 AM

Patch was a retired Captain, Naval Academy class of 1911.


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#4 501stGeronimo

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:16 AM

Why would there be a Admiral Band on the cuff. Could it have been reissued to a different admiral after Patch had it?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:24 AM

I did see one modern chart that showed four bands and the wide band as being for FLEET ADMIRAL. This is the list of Fleet Admirals (according to wikipedia)

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:25 AM

The thick band looks a bit low on the sleeve and a different shade...almost like CAPT Patch's original uniform had an admiral braid added later.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:29 AM

So could this have been worn by a Admiral in later years?

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:42 AM

I would bet that it was not worn by an Admiral, just my hunch. Likely the coat belonged to CAPT Patch and either a collector or maybe even a movie company used it for another purpose.

Edited by CNY Militaria, 14 December 2012 - 09:43 AM.


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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:43 AM

The thick band looks a bit low on the sleeve and a different shade...almost like CAPT Patch's original uniform had an admiral braid added later.

Agree. I think someone added an admiral band to a captain's coat.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:45 AM

I agree, looks like it was added.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 09:46 AM

The stitching on the admiral band matches the stitching on the captain braid, weird :mellow:

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 10:49 AM

That "admiral's" band looks a bit low on the sleeve for regulation.

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Posted 14 December 2012 - 11:04 AM

Some of this has already been discussed, so I apologize in advance for repeating what has already been said.

First, it is doubtful this uniform belonged to a Fleet Admiral, considering there have only been a handful of Fleet Admirals in the navy.

Second, the admiral stripe seems to be a different color than the other four bands. They may even be made of a different material than the original bands.

Finally, the lower band is too low to be regulation. As per the US Navy uniform regulations:

1. Description. They are gold stripes, black on green coats, in widths of either 2 inch, 1/2 inch, or 1/4 inch indicating the individual's rank.


2. Position. Stripes encircle the sleeve with the lower edge of the first stripe 2 inches from the edge of the sleeve. Multiple stripes have 1/4 inch intervals in between.


Also, admirals did not wear a gold stripe down the side of their pants during this time. The trousers that go with this jacket did not have any stripes on them, regardless of rank.


This seems to be a uniform that has been modified to use in a theater production, perhaps. Someone took a perfectly good, named captains uniform and turned it into the costume you now have.



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Posted 16 December 2012 - 12:14 PM

Someone wasted a lot of vintage bullion admiral's braid making "trouser stripes". Do we know anything else about the service of CAPT Ernest Patch?

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 01:54 PM

Actually removing that trouser braid that doesn't belong and selling the parts would have a bit of value itself.


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