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#1 Bart P

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:04 AM

Finally!! I finally got my 17th A/B trooper a British Made recognition scarf. These were as you know widely used during Operation Varstiy.

This specimen is nicely marked and in unissued condition. My friend had two in his British collection, so one was able to move over to the Yank-side... :) ...


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:08 AM

Very nice. The '41 date really surprised me!! :o

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:30 AM

I've seen them dated 1941 in other collections as well...

Check out our mod Johan Willaert's collection (scroll down):

http://www.thelibera...collection2.htm

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#4 Sabrejet

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 12:51 AM

I wasn't questioning the date...I was just surprised that they were in production that early. I always thought of them as a late war thing!

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 02:33 AM

Well, in fact, I also always thought Market Garden was the earliest operation concerning the usage of these...
Good point, Ian.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 05:09 AM

Really nice Bart! Do you have any photos of the 17th ABN wearing/using these? Were these meant to be worn as a scarf or carried in a pack?

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:37 AM

Hi Beast,

Here are a few:

http://img864.imageshack.us/i/17thairborne002c.jpg/

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:38 AM

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#9 Bart P

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:40 AM

You'll find a few in Howard's "American Finest" too!

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 06:55 AM

Hi Bart,
Very Nice Item to add to your A.B Collection there & Well Done
i like the Early 41 date on it also a great item and thanks for sharing it with us ;)

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 07:09 AM

I would not really call this "Briitsh Made," as it was an Issue British item, which the Americans decided to adopt. So that it was not "made by the British specifically for the Americans." A VERY minor point, and a nice item.

for an excellent tutorial on their use (sarcasm here), see "How I won the War" with John Lennon.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 07:15 AM

By way of additional info and a little trivia, the name "Courtaulds" on the scarf refers to a famous British textiles company who were pioneers in the development of synthetics. Therefore, I presume that textile with its day-glo yellow dye was a "synthetic" developed by Courtaulds.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:01 AM

These may have been in use as early as 1940. They were first intended for use by RAF aircrew, if downed at sea or or land, to get the attention of SAR elements.

According to one vet of the 101st, they had them for NORMANDY (no idea about 82nd, let alone Brits), but, along with their rubberized, pocket-sized survivals kits, were quite ACCOUNTABLE so were turned in afterwards.

Who knows, maybe they were passed out again for MARKET-GARDEN ? A US Glider pilot told me that he had one for S France (issued in Italy) and Holland and VARSITY.

They are most associated with VARSITY simply because: 1. the troops were specifically told to wear them once on the ground; and 2. they were NOT accountable property that was to be turned in, so many survived as handy, low-volume souvenirs.

I got one years ago from the son of a French-Canadian who served in the FRENCH SAS (a college student in France in 1939, joined Foreign Legion, in Syria, then Italy, then SAS). The son had two, and they other one bore autographs of dad's comrades, placenames, etc.

An old collecting friend had one that came to him with a bunch of USAAF ETO survival gear, but no details of provenance/use.

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:12 AM

Bart

That is really a nice addition to your collection,The condition is fantastic.

I have one that was worn at Varsity.I also know of a glider pilot who has one who was on the Varsity operation.

Edited by doyler, 14 November 2012 - 10:12 AM.


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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:18 AM

Who knows, maybe they were passed out again for MARKET-GARDEN ?


David Webster (E-506) describes one in his Market Garden kit in his book...

And the latest Mike de Trez book about Market Garden has several pictures showing them too...

I have seen (and own) tow different versions, one bordered in white and always marked Courthaulds 1941, and one bordered in brown hessian without markings....

Nice pick-up, Bart

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 10:29 AM

Very nice "scarf"

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 03:11 PM

Man what an ultra cool airborne accessory!!....mike

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Posted 14 November 2012 - 08:15 PM

Very unusual to me, I've never seen one! The forum has answers to unasked questions....thanks!! :lol:

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 12:43 AM

Thanks for all your replies, guys!

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 07:13 AM

I once saw red and blue ones of these, years ago, in a shop in London...

And check out this Glider Pilot ("shoot me here") wearing one as a bib pre-Varsity.....!

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Posted 15 November 2012 - 07:15 AM

17th vets referred to them as "yellow sweat rags".

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 07:22 AM

This one came from a Brit collection too. I was fortunate enough to find and buy one, these things are extremely hard to come by if you are looking for one.

Dated Courtaulds, 1941.

From what I've heard they were even used in Normandy to some extent. This one is way less reflective than most others I've seen. It's just a yellow piece of cloth, meant to prevent friendly fire.

 

These will al-ways be linked to the 17th AB and the crossing of the Rhine. Period March 1945 photography shows them being worn all over the place.

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 07:23 AM

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 04:15 PM

Great picture Ken.

 

Are they 17th A/B ?

 

I've had a couple of 17th A/B groups that had the cut down US Invasion flag like the ones in the photo.



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Posted 05 August 2016 - 11:22 AM

Sorry for not replying sooner (completely forgot about this thread) but no, they are not a "divisional" type of thing, as they were used in Holland too... 

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