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On 1/14/2018 at 8:00 AM, 67Rally said:

Third in my new line up is this Luke Melbourne marked device.

 

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I lived in Melbourne for 43 years, just about every aussie military insignia I saw was K.G.LUKE, that's a real beauty!

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34 minutes ago, Flightpath said:

I lived in Melbourne for 43 years, just about every aussie military insignia I saw was K.G.LUKE, that's a real beauty!


Thank you, it certainly is. While I haven't sought out other examples of this with any measure of intensity, I have yet to find another (though I am certain more exist).

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On 3/17/2022 at 10:01 PM, Flightpath said:

I´ve been wanting a pre-WW2 CPO cover anchor for a few years, after seeing this (no hallmark) one I looked through this thread and bought it, hope it´s a goodún! So what´s your opinion guys, 20s/30s? The "USN" seem thinner than many others, is that a problem?

 

 

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Just looking through this thread and noticed that my anchor is almost identical to the one Tim B posted in #112, I was also thinking that it could be 1920s - 1930s.

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I´ve been using two photos taken in April 1920 as a reference to the early USN silver flying mechanic´s half wing on a NavSource page, these photos also show the anchors on the POs caps and I´ve enlarged six of them. The photos show a mix of ´USN´ in a curve and ´US´ horizontal with ´N´ on an angle, most show the rope in a circle, particularly the POs in the lower left and right photos. To me these show that my anchor (post #287) and the almost identical anchor posted by Tim B in #112, could easily be from the 1920s and might not be regarded as only pre - early WW2.

 

Also notice the PO in the top-left photo wearing his anchor on an angle so the ´USN´ is horizontal.

 

Take a look at this really interesting page with great photos and information....

 https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/99/029902.htm

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12 minutes ago, Flightpath said:

I´ve been using two photos taken in April 1920 as a reference to the early USN silver flying mechanic´s half wing on a NavSource page, these photos also show the anchors on the POs caps and I´ve enlarged six of them. The photos show a mix of ´USN´ in a curve and ´US´ horizontal with ´N´ on an angle, most show the rope in a circle, particularly the POs in the lower left and right photos. To me these show that my anchor (post #287) and the almost identical anchor posted by Tim B in #112, could easily be from the 1920s and might not be regarded as only pre - early WW2.

 

Also notice the PO in the top-left photo wearing his anchor on an angle so the ´USN´ is horizontal.

 

Take a look at this really interesting page with great photos and information....

 https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/99/029902.htm

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I did this same photographic research when I acquired mine as part of a large group.

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On 2/11/2022 at 5:12 AM, carrabassett said:

Just picked this up and wanted to put it up for discussion. The only mark I can see is a faint raised STERLING along the stem of the anchor but curios as to why the hole thing is so black or tarnished. Virtually no gilt at all. Just age? Thanks!B1995F50-58BD-45F6-A330-962FBA97A64F.jpeg.5dcb38df834c0322028308bdcc9954b3.jpegF40E6963-987C-4EE8-840C-F1FF9A483450.jpeg.9fe54f36aca402bb57d62d499ba3baee.jpeg

 

Looks to be a circa 1947 era Hilborn-Hamburger anchor.  The H-H Eagle is just above the catch (you can see the left wing/head).  The cap band dates the piece 1947 or later and the H-H Eagle pattern and slanted USN Lettering appears to be a carry over from WW2.  I posted a similar, though somewhat earlier variation, back on page 5 of this thread.  Compare the details with that one but mine also has the 1/20th GF (gold filled) tag on the top.  Probably a CPO that remained in the service post-war.

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On 4/8/2022 at 11:39 PM, Flightpath said:

I´ve been using two photos taken in April 1920 as a reference to the early USN silver flying mechanic´s half wing on a NavSource page, these photos also show the anchors on the POs caps and I´ve enlarged six of them. The photos show a mix of ´USN´ in a curve and ´US´ horizontal with ´N´ on an angle, most show the rope in a circle, particularly the POs in the lower left and right photos. To me these show that my anchor (post #287) and the almost identical anchor posted by Tim B in #112, could easily be from the 1920s and might not be regarded as only pre - early WW2.

 

Also notice the PO in the top-left photo wearing his anchor on an angle so the ´USN´ is horizontal.

 

Take a look at this really interesting page with great photos and information....

 https://www.navsource.org/archives/02/99/029902.htm

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Good PIC's!

 

Two points and somewhat minor in semantics;  First, these guys are all Chiefs.  They are not Petty Officers (PO's are E-4 to E-6) but Chief Petty Officers (CPO's).  Only Chiefs (E-7 to E-9) wore/wear anchors, not to include the midshipman or warrant officer style emblems which are different altogether.

 

2nd point; the anchor you show is more than likely anywhere from early 1900's up through the 1920's and if you look back on the thread will note by the 1930's the anchor style was somewhat larger and different in design.  Still, one has to account for the cases where some old salts that stayed in for 20-30 years probably kept their original anchors and never upgraded.  Remember, members had to pay out of pocket for these items.

 

Good contribution on the photos and nice badge, congrats!

Tim

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Man, been a while since I posted anything on USMF. I want to add these two embroidered span-am era anchors. You can see the embroidered examples in some early CPO photos such as this one, the Chief on the lower left is wearing one. 
 

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Also want to share this. By all account looks like a early CPO cap device, but it only has a single ring instead of the two prongs you usually see. It’s the only one like it I have ever seen. 
Someone on the FB group said it might be a first pattern 1886 petty officer device, before it was even a CPO insignia, which makes sense. It may not have taken long to realize that having a single loop allows the device to spin around thus a change to prongs. 
 

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Here is a span-am/pre-1913 cap with a double loop anchor sewn on I have on my shelf for display. The caps are distinguishable because they are also stamped with the Naval Clothing factory mark like the device. 
 

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2 hours ago, carnut63 said:

Here is a span-am/pre-1913 cap with a double loop anchor sewn on I have on my shelf for display. The caps are distinguishable because they are also stamped with the Naval Clothing factory mark like the device. 
 

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Fantastic pieces!  The cap device on this cap is marked?

 

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On 1/6/2017 at 5:08 AM, carnut63 said:

Here is my collection. I have bought and sold some other early ones over the years but have decided to actually keep a collection now. The one on the left is a 1903.com repo which is actually a nice anchor. I have it in there for reference.

 

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Hi carnut,

the 1903.com anchor, are they made with any markings on the back to show that they are a repro?  I´d hate to find one in mine or another collection., can you show the back?

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Honestly, no not that I can find. I bought it off their website, they had other repro stuff on there but the site isn’t active anymore. 

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Flightpath
1 minute ago, carnut63 said:

Honestly, no not that I can find. I bought it off their website, they had other repro stuff on there but the site isn’t active anymore. 

Can you please post a photo of the back so we know what to look out for, thanks, John

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I remember this anchor looking like brand new when I bought it in 2015. I didn’t even recognize it anymore because it had tarnished so much. Here you go. 
 

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On 11/27/2015 at 1:02 PM, Tim B said:

Now, for a couple of interesting discoveries. Here's one of the 1930's pattern anchor that uses that twisted wire/cable. Note the same details called out above.

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Hi @Tim B @holdaas! I am looking for info about this specific type of anchor.  My grandfather wore one during his time with the 30th CB in WWII, and I would like to find one to wear on my cover.  Any help is really appreciated06491274-9CB9-40A0-86B8-5CDFEF59DC28.jpeg.dd847629218953e41c69a7fc88050f23.jpeg

SKC Scott-Smith c. 1942

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On 8/13/2016 at 2:19 PM, Tim B said:

I saved a copy of this post card supposedly showing a chief during action at Vera Cruz. It appears that he is wearing a subdues anchor on the cap.

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Ahoy Tim,

 

Many moons ago you asked about this CPO image.  Well here's the dope...

 

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1914 Vera Cruz - USS MICHIGAN (BB-27)  On 14 February, she left the port for a short voyage to Guacanayabo Bay, Cuba, and was back in Hampton Roads by 19 March. Michigan began a third cruise to Mexico on 16 April to support the United States occupation of Veracruz. She reached the city on 22 April and landed a battalion of Marines as part of the occupation force. The ship then patrolled the coast before departing for the United States on 20 June.

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From Navsource - 1910

 

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From Navsource - USS MICHIGAN quarterdeck 1910

 

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From Navsource - Rifle and field gun practice on board Michigan (BB-27).  USN photo # LC-USZ62-49081, courtesy of the Library of Congress, from the National Museum of the U.S. Navy  Landing party firing practice, April 1914

 

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Original RPPC Detail

 

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Original RPPC detail

 

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Original RPPC detail

 

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Original RPPC April 1914 Vera Cruz, Mexico

 

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Chief Gunner's Mate Louis F. Boswell on USS MICHIGAN (BB-27) off Vera Cruz, preparing to disembark with the ship's landing party, 22 April 1914. He was killed by Mexican small arms fire at 8 pm that evening. Note his uniform, CPO "whites" dyed for camouflage, and a blue cap.

 

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Original RPPC USS MICHIGAN (BB-27) April 1914

 

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RPPC detail

 

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Veracruz Intervention, April 1914. Sanitary Squad from USS Michigan (Battleship #27). George Grantham Bain Collection. Courtesy of the Library of Congress. (2016/05/27).

 

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USS MICHIGAN (BB-27) Landing Party, Vera Cruz, Mexico April 1914, Library of Congress

 

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Original RPPC detail

 

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Original RPPC detail

 

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Original RPPC detail USS MICHIGAN machine gun crew - notice the swabbie who made a 'duck hunter' hat from his white hat

 

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Original RPPC detail

 

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The familiar photo of a USS MICHIGAN  machine gun crew

 

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From Navsource - U.S. blue jackets with 3 inch field piece from Michigan (BB-27) guarding the Government building at Veracruz during the 1914 Mexican Revolution.  Same building in the following RPPC, USS MICHIGAN machine gun crew, April 1914 Vera Cruz, Mexico.

 

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There ya go, USS MICHIGAN (BB-27) Vera Cruz, Mexico April 1914

 

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Chief Gunner's Mate Louis F. Boswell on USS MICHIGAN (BB-27) off Vera Cruz, preparing to disembark with the ship's landing party, 22 April 1914. He was killed by Mexican small arms fire at 8 pm that evening.

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On 3/14/2014 at 11:45 AM, Tim B said:

Just wanted to post another example to keep the topic rolling; nothing super special or hallmarked, just the sterling content mark on the reverse of the letter "N".

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Close up of the mark:

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Here’s its twin with a different catch. I’m assuming pre or early WW2 for this example.

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It looks like it had a hard life.

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