smith Posted January 11, 2007 Share #1 Posted January 11, 2007 there's my collins 1001 that i founded near Belleau Wood!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ad82recon Posted January 11, 2007 Share #2 Posted January 11, 2007 Thats an interesting find Smith especially at Belleau Wood. Greg (Kabar) any documented evidence that Machete Entrenchings went overseas with the marine brigades during WW1. Thought that most of the 1001s went to "China " marines regards Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Robinson Posted January 11, 2007 Share #3 Posted January 11, 2007 The USMC "machete, intrenching" was adopted in 1912 with initial production by COLLINS & COMPANY which identified it as their No. 1001 machete. So it's entirely possible that some went "over there" in 1917-1918. Smith's discovery at Belleau Wood would confirm this. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ad82recon Posted January 11, 2007 Share #4 Posted January 11, 2007 Greg what was the rate of issue of 1001s as opposed to M1910 shovels and M1910 Pickmattocks per squad. I find it fascinating that one of "our" favourite edged weapons from the Old Corps was found at Belleau wood Regards Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted January 11, 2007 Share #5 Posted January 11, 2007 Thought you'd like to see the photo of this WWI US Marine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ad82recon Posted January 11, 2007 Share #6 Posted January 11, 2007 WOW ! GB you find some great photos.....that Leatherneck has got both M1910 shovel and 1001 Machete Entrenching and is that a keer sling on his M1903 ?? Well he aint goin to China is he? Regards Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Robinson Posted January 11, 2007 Share #7 Posted January 11, 2007 Greg what was the rate of issue of 1001s as opposed to M1910 shovels and M1910 Pickmattocks per squad. I find it fascinating that one of "our" favourite edged weapons from the Old Corps was found at Belleau wood Regards Lloyd The Navy Landing Force Manual of 1938 has TOE tables for Marine rifle squads and it includes the machete, intrenching. That would answer this question. Unfortunately, my 1938 LFM has the 1941 updates which eliminated that piece of equipment. That goes to show that by 1941 it was obsolete although I'm sure they were still around in good numbers. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Robinson Posted January 11, 2007 Share #8 Posted January 11, 2007 I notice he's wearing the "woven" dismounted cartridge belt with LTD fasteners. I don't think the Marines had those when they first went over there. So he's either been resupplied or maybe the photo is post war. It's a neat photo and shows some nice old gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 11, 2007 Share #9 Posted January 11, 2007 My copy of the 1938 LFM has been updated to April, 1940. The TO&E lists the following per each 8 man squad. Intrenching Machete 2 / 8 Pick 2 / 8 Shovel 4 / 8 Wire cutter 1 / 8 Saw something else interesting. It specified one grenade carrier and launcher per squad too. I guess those vests were used after all. Also 1 TSMG and 1 BAR per squad. They have a lot of firepower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 11, 2007 Share #10 Posted January 11, 2007 Greg, I think all of the web gear is contained in chapter 9. I'll trade you a copy of my chapter 9 for a copy of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Robinson Posted January 11, 2007 Share #11 Posted January 11, 2007 Greg, I think all of the web gear is contained in chapter 9. I'll trade you a copy of my chapter 9 for a copy of yours. Yeah....that's a good idea. Let me find time to pull that chapter out of the binder and get it copied. I'll send it to you. I own an early USMC pickmattock carrier although I don't have a USMC specific pick mattock. Not real sure such a thing exists. And I have the DISSTON made machete, intrenching and several pre WW2 USMC t handle shovel carriers. So I'm set with squad intrenching gear. I think the Marines were wearing the Army 1918 dated grenade vests pre/early WW2 although I've seen (and own one) a USMC specific grenade vest. But those didn't get into the field until later in the war, best I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 12, 2007 Share #12 Posted January 12, 2007 I'm rearranging my "office" at the moment and don't even have my printer hooked up. I will try to get setup over the weekend and copy Chapter 9 early next week. Please check thru the LFM and be sure there isn't anymore 782 gear in other chapters. I will do the same. I have a USMC specific grenade vest that was made 1940-41 contract. They were used by the Raiders at Makin Island too. Side note: If you watch the movie Gung Ho about the Raiders you can see some of these vests in use. When they first land on the island and are moving thru the jungle there are a few guys wearing these vests. I'm pretty sure they used real Marines for the background troops. I guess they were outfitted with their normal gear. I can't imagine Hollywood would have gone into that much detail. Did the numbers from the 1938 / 40 LFM answer your questions? I happened to remember that I have a 1918 edition of the LFM too. I can check it if you like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smith Posted January 12, 2007 Author Share #13 Posted January 12, 2007 an onether one.... i'm happy that interest you.....i found it with one USMC tunic button and a mess kit.......i was very happy that day!!!!! look at the condiment can........MODEL OF 1913!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunbarrel Posted January 12, 2007 Share #14 Posted January 12, 2007 Very interesting...thanks! GB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Robinson Posted January 12, 2007 Share #15 Posted January 12, 2007 I'm rearranging my "office" at the moment and don't even have my printer hooked up. I will try to get setup over the weekend and copy Chapter 9 early next week. Please check thru the LFM and be sure there isn't anymore 782 gear in other chapters. I will do the same. I have a USMC specific grenade vest that was made 1940-41 contract. They were used by the Raiders at Makin Island too. Side note: If you watch the movie Gung Ho about the Raiders you can see some of these vests in use. When they first land on the island and are moving thru the jungle there are a few guys wearing these vests. I'm pretty sure they used real Marines for the background troops. I guess they were outfitted with their normal gear. I can't imagine Hollywood would have gone into that much detail. Did the numbers from the 1938 / 40 LFM answer your questions? I happened to remember that I have a 1918 edition of the LFM too. I can check it if you like. Yeah, the Marines did wear those Phila Depot made grenade vests. But I've read reports in which Marines who fought in the Pacific in the early days said all their gear was "WW1". I'm pretty sure they used those left over WW1 grenade vests in addition to their specific version. The LFM of 1938 was the first to have Marine Corps topics. This was in response to adoption of the amphibious assault finally being officially made the mission of the Marine Corps in the 1930's. The Fleet Marine Force was formed in 1933. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig_pickrall Posted January 13, 2007 Share #16 Posted January 13, 2007 The 1918 LFM has all of the period gear layouts except it shows sailors wearing and using it. I don't know if it mentions entrenching machetes though. I haven't pulled it out to see what detail it covers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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