ccmax Posted February 3, 2008 Share #1 Posted February 3, 2008 Post here your reference pics of M43 field jacket liners. First one: 1st AD with HBT liner, with theatre made 5th Army patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share #2 Posted February 3, 2008 This jacket belongs to the 6th Infantry Regiment museum, São Paulo, Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share #3 Posted February 3, 2008 One in my collection: pile liner and wool in the sleeves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ccmax Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share #5 Posted February 3, 2008 Tag has been deliberately removed from the pocket... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share #6 Posted February 3, 2008 Reverse side of pile material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share #7 Posted February 3, 2008 Collar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share #8 Posted February 3, 2008 Liner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share #9 Posted February 3, 2008 Armpit and sleeve details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share #10 Posted February 3, 2008 Manufacturing detail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Robinson Posted February 3, 2008 Share #11 Posted February 3, 2008 Here's one of the few I've seen with dated spec tag in the pocket. Dated 1948 and has a chocolate brown wool pile lining with OD wool sleeves. And a pic of a pocket spec tag from a jacket I saw on ebay which had a rayon HBT lining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share #12 Posted February 3, 2008 The tag of another one I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ad82recon Posted February 3, 2008 Share #13 Posted February 3, 2008 Hi guys so what is the absloute on these pile liners...ii brought one today in a 46R size from a show today and the lining is HBT rayon NOT pile lined...faded spec tag in the back of the jacket not the pocket. So when did these date from Pre Pile lining or ..post war ? Whats the take on these Regards Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ad82recon Posted February 3, 2008 Share #14 Posted February 3, 2008 CESAR..thats the same size and dimension spec tag i have in mine..... and also the same lining. May i have a closer shot of the tag details and the size tag please. Regards Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted February 3, 2008 Author Share #15 Posted February 3, 2008 Lloyd, isn't the rayon lining on top of the pile? The first one I posted here with an HBT lining is surely from WWII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ad82recon Posted February 3, 2008 Share #16 Posted February 3, 2008 Hi Cesar yes exactly like in the pic of the spec tag in your collection and on this post..the shiny rayon HBT lined liner. So when they entered production did they delete the rayon linings and keep the "fur" pile linings. Regards Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Robinson Posted February 4, 2008 Share #17 Posted February 4, 2008 Hi Cesar yes exactly like in the pic of the spec tag in your collection and on this post..the shiny rayon HBT lined liner. So when they entered production did they delete the rayon linings and keep the "fur" pile linings. Regards Lloyd Lloyd OK...from what I've seen the linings came in four different versions. 1. silver/brown pile 2. Brown pile 3. Rayon 4. HBT rayon. I own two with HBT rayon that feel like they have wool pile under the rayon. Not drawing any conclusions on this yet but the two I've seen with legible dates were 1. 1948 ....brown pile 2. 1950 HBT rayon. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ad82recon Posted February 4, 2008 Share #18 Posted February 4, 2008 Hi Greg...so is there an assumption that Rayon/HBT liners are assumed to be Post war ? Be interested to know......thats why i need to see a picture of the spec tag in Cesars one as that is exactly the same as the one in mine. I must admit that nearly ALL visible pictures of Pile liners in WW2 are of the "fur" variety. Anyone add anything to this discussion ? Regards Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Robinson Posted February 4, 2008 Share #19 Posted February 4, 2008 Hi Greg...so is there an assumption that Rayon/HBT liners are assumed to be Post war ? Lloyd Can't say that yet. I just know that at least SOME of the jackets with rayon HBT lining were made in the Korean War. And I've seen WW2 dated jackets that had a pile lining made in a silver brown color shade. My 1948 dated jacket has a dark brown wool pile lining. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted February 4, 2008 Author Share #20 Posted February 4, 2008 Lloyd, this is the best I can do for now with the tag. According to the tag the liner should fit an M1943. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ad82recon Posted February 4, 2008 Share #21 Posted February 4, 2008 Thanks Cesar and Greg ..i need to know because IF this pile liner is post war ITS GOING Back for a refund as the dealer assured me it was WW2. Alarm bells are ringing now as if you look at the size tag that is concurrent with M1950 Ike Jackets ......... Regards Lloyd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ogstad Posted February 8, 2008 Share #22 Posted February 8, 2008 How many of these really saw use during WW2 anyway? I would think not that many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccmax Posted February 8, 2008 Author Share #23 Posted February 8, 2008 At least in the MTO they were very common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bilko1 Posted February 8, 2008 Share #24 Posted February 8, 2008 Because at this time there is no good documented pictorial evidence conferming ww2 and post mfg,some assumptions need to be made..like Lloyds there is a vague 45 date wether that is pattern date of mfg date who knows..But to find a 46R in any type is a surprise. M1950 FJ's had a liner that could be buttoned in,Not like the m43 which was seperate[but you know that]. like most things buy that 34R with alpaca lining for your display as to find one in 46R to use[living history] is near impossible if not impossible. The trader would never have deliberatly miss sold something if he/she was certain on the type for sale,Miss stakes do happen i guess you will have got full refund very quick. Cheers, Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Robinson Posted February 8, 2008 Share #25 Posted February 8, 2008 M1950 FJ's had a liner that could be buttoned in,Not like the m43 which was seperate[but you know that].Cheers, Dave. The M1950 field jacket with liner buttons went into production in Dec 1950 but no liners were made until the Spring of 1951....not sure why the delay. So they needed the pile liners 1950-1951 in Korea. Marines also wore them in Korea. So there's no doubt in my mind that pile liners were manufactured in 1950. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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