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#1 Jack's Son

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:15 PM

Gentlemen.

I am trying to help a friend better understand his Grandfathers Militaria. I am not familiar with all of the items he has shown me, so I thought I would ask you help with each one.
If you would please explain what the item is, and what condition it is in, I'm sure he will be much happier with a better understanding of his remembrances.

Thank you,
JS

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#2 m1ashooter

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Posted 10 July 2012 - 08:18 PM

I've seen pictures of Naval officers wearing them with dress uniform at the turn of the last century.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:33 AM

its a fore and aft hat worn with the ceremonial dress uniform. I know that this hat was phased out in October of 1940. I am unsure as to when they started using them but I know they were used in the 1800s. Your hat with tin is part of an incomplete set, which would have also come with gold shoulder epaulettes that had the rank on them.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:36 AM

Your hat with tin is part of an incomplete set, which would have also come with gold shoulder epaulettes that had the rank on them.



I agree with Robert...the hat appears to be from the 1930s and looks to be in great, un-worn condition. Inside the box are those two metal straps - each with two tabs - which are to hold the ornate epaulettes in place.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:41 AM

That's a really cool vintage piece JS! This style of fore-aft hat remained pretty much unchanged from its introduction until its demise. I'm not sure how one could tell an 1820s one from a 1920s one...but then I'm no expert on naval dress uniforms. I'm pretty sure these hats are featured in one of Jeff Warner's USN volumes. I'll take a look later.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:47 AM

its a fore and aft hat worn with the ceremonial dress uniform. I know that this hat was phased out in October of 1940. I am unsure as to when they started using them but I know they were used in the 1800s. Your hat with tin is part of an incomplete set, which would have also come with gold shoulder epaulettes that had the rank on them.
Robert

Gentlemen,
The epaulettes are in anouther thread......thank you!
I didn't know they were part of a set when I posted them....sorry!

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:50 AM

I have sold a few sets in the last couple of years and with the epaulets: they go for around $400, although one set was named to an officer who became an aide to Nimitz right after Dec. 7, 1941, and that sold for about $700 ( http://www.usmilitar...howtopic=103110 )

The cocked hat was part of some serious bling for pre-WWII US Naval officers:

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:54 AM

As I suspected, there's a whole illustrated section on pages 32-50 of volume 5. I believe the one you have is that of Captains and Commanders.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 06:58 AM

As I suspected, there's a whole illustrated section on pages 32-50 of volume 5. I believe the one you have is that of Captains and Commanders.



Nah...it is a junior officer's hat. The braid on the top edge would be gold for the higher ranks. This one is all black.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 07:27 AM

Nah...it is a junior officer's hat. The braid on the top edge would be gold for the higher ranks. This one is all black.


The difference was the gold "loop" over the cockade on the right side. For ENS through LCDR it would be 1 inch wide gold lace (folded double), for CDR and CAPT it would be 1.5 inches wide. For flag officers it was 1.75 inches and the outer edge of the hat was bound with gold lace instead of black silk.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 07:53 AM

Here's one of Bob's from the forum's archives. There's no doubt they do make attractive collectibles!

http://www.usmilitar...howtopic=133977

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 11:40 AM

This is really cool stuff.....I'll send it along!! The prices really help too.

Thank you all!

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 04:52 PM

From USN Uniform Regulations 1922:

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 04:54 PM

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Dress was the same as full dress but without gold stripes on the trousers and plain leather belt instead of gold-trimmed.

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Posted 11 July 2012 - 04:55 PM

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