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MORTAR 60MM - M2

Started by US Victory Museum , Jan 23 2008 02:04 PM

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#41 Broccoli

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 01:01 AM

Thanks Johan! You're faster than a lightning :)

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 01:53 AM

Thanks Johan! You're faster than a lightning :)


Sometimes.... :D

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 11:05 AM

LAST IMAGE

Size comparison between 60mm HE rounds and 81mm HE rounds.

81mm is approaching the threshold of artillery. The 4.2"
(105mm) mortar definitely crosses into artillery.
People have asked me why I would own mini artillery to which
I answer with these words (not mine):

"Artillery lends dignity to that which would otherwise
be a vulgar brawl."


As an old "Mortar Forker" I am truly enjoying this thread... My bread and butter was the 81mm M29A1, though I've fired the M2/M19/M224 60mm mortars (mild annoyance), the M29/M29A1/M252 81mm Mortars (damn these parts are heavy), and the 4.2in (107mm) Mortar (Where the frak is my truck?!!!). The 120mm wasn't in the inventory yet when I went back to the leg infantry. We were called Hip Pocket Artillery then, or High Angle Hell. My section got very adept at the shoot and scoot tactic to keep at least 2/3rds of our max range ahead of our lead maneuver element at all times and to keep ivan from zeroing in on our firing section. We'd fired one volley in effect of maybe 3-5 rounds and move to our next position to keep from being zeroed in on. The bursting radius of the 60mm was on the line of 10 to 15 meters. Bursting radius of the 81mm was 35m, and for the four duece it was 50m.

Man I miss those days!!!

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Posted 20 December 2010 - 11:10 AM

Thank you, I really do not know how I was searching.. if someone can do it, please move this thread to the existing one... Btw.- your mortar is really wonderfull! I wish I had a non-demiled once...

Please, could you take some detailed photos of the straps that holds legs together? Were all those straps leather, or was there any canvas variant too?


I'm not too sure about the 60mm, but with the 81mm M29 there were chains that were fastened to one leg and then stretched to fasten to a hook on the other leg. the excess chain would be 100mph taped to set the chain at the proper length. All you had to do then was pop the pin, rotate the yoke and spread the legs and fasten the chain. Slide the barrel into the yoke and pin it, rotate it down and lock it into the base plate, pop on the site and level up.

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Posted 22 December 2010 - 10:40 AM

Really nice one! Thanks you for replying..

So, back to my quesions ;o)
The straps that holds the legs together was always made of leather? I am missing it, so have to make a copy - please, could you make some photos of it and send some measurements? I need a photo of the part, where it is attached to one leg...

Would be the canvas cover OK for 1944 reenactment?

Do you have some WWII ammo crates?

Thank you:)

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 05:13 PM

Here are some pictures of my 1943 dated 60mm darling.
Please, don't you know how to date a M4 sight? This one has a Serial No. 136 997...

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 05:38 PM

I havesome rounds, too..

M83 Ilumination round, marked - CAG on the fins and FUZE, TIME, M65A1 LOT PA-484-32 7-53 on the fuze.. nothing painted on..

M49A2 round (light brown one) - marked RMF 2 28 1953 60MM M49A2 in the middle of the body, "29" near the gas check band and sth. baldy readable on the plastic end of the fuze, sth like 80 15231 LOT WC 3-900, 6-44. Painted "INERT" on the body and yellow "C". Under those litters is painted 60MM TNT SHELL M49A2 AMM LOT M1 2-67. Is filled with sth. like resin.

M49A2 round, aluminuim fuze, marked LOT 22879 4 9 1942 B.W. 60MM M49A2. 2 stamps on the body, no more visible marking or painting.

M49A2 round, plastic fuse, looks like dug out and painted. Hard to read marking "stamp" AS 11- ?1? ??? ??? 60MM M4????" on the body. the ejecting filling looks to be still in, the fuze is really complete (no wires). Marking on the fuze reads PDF M5281 LOT 3-472 12-43.

All are marked on the copper cap down there :)

The Handbook is 3rd edition 1943 Infantry journal.

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 05:43 PM

The crate is 1953 dated. Please, is it exactly the same dimensiond and style as the crates in the WWII were? We are going to make some copies and really wouldn't like to have post war types ;)
The tube caps are 60MM MORTAR C.T.C.C. 11-8-53 CNTR M 202A1 marked. Still looking for WWII tubes

Thanks for looking
Frank D. Broccoli

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 05:48 PM

Thank you, I really do not know how I was searching.. if someone can do it, please move this thread to the existing one... Btw.- your mortar is really wonderfull! I wish I had a non-demiled once...

Please, could you take some detailed photos of the straps that holds legs together? Were all those straps leather, or was there any canvas variant too?


Both the M2 60mm Mortars that I helped restore at the 82nd Airborne Division Museum at Fort Bragg had canvas straps that secured the bipod legs

ATW!

Chris

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Posted 28 December 2010 - 05:53 PM

Thank you for answers, Wayne and Chris!
Chris, I am looking for a photo and some measurements, too, if you ever found some ;)

Frankie

Edited by Broccoli, 28 December 2010 - 06:01 PM.


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Posted 29 December 2010 - 04:18 AM

Another one, I hope you are not bored with my childy questions :)

As I was looking on Johan's Aiming stake light, I was googling it and found a manual to the lights http://books.google....A...p;q&f=false

On page 5, there you can read about 10 types of stakes :) Which ones are the ones that "US Victory Museum..." on his photos here on the first page has?

Which stakes are the right one for 60mm? Or shouldn't I care a cuss? The manual says"Stakes used for aiming the 60mm mortar are improvised as required" :) So The stakes aren't used in the field, just to training purpose?

I saw a M41 stake light (the same as Johan has), was it ever battle-used? :) Thank you!
Frankie

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Posted 11 April 2011 - 03:42 PM

Firing an M2 60mm Mortar...

Amusing story. Once upon a time while out shooting on the ranch
we had a vehicle come up the road behind us. They couldn't see
what we were doing, so we waved and approached them. The elderly
woman apologized profusely for her husband's driving onto posted
private property, but according to her he was hearing what he
believed to be mortar fire. He was an old WWII vet.

You can imagine the shock on her face when we told her that
he was right and that we were firing WWII era mortars for
S**t's 'n' Giggles. We invited to ol' guy to drop a few with
us. That really made his day.

A great story and a really terrific thread!


People have asked me why I would own mini artillery to which
I answer with these words (not mine):

"Artillery lends dignity to that which would otherwise
be a vulgar brawl."

I had this saved in my files:

Artillery.jpg

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 02:38 PM

Howdy,
Who knows anything about a (60mm Practice CTG M766) Round with a (Fuze PD Practice M779) fuze head????

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Posted 07 October 2011 - 12:16 AM

Hello,
please, does anybody know which equipment or tools fits to M6 tool roll when it goes with a 60mm mortar? I have a FM 23-85 from 1940 and it says nothing definite - just "tols and equipment for disassembling and assembling and for cleaning and preservation.." There is some "tool, firing pin vent, cleaning", too, do you have a picture of it, please? I have a M6 tool roll with an oiler only in it, it looks soo lonesome there :)
Thanks,
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Posted 31 October 2011 - 04:58 AM

Hello again..
I have bought a sight extender, but it is made of alluminum, don't you know, if it is US WWII, US pre-war, US post war or non-US item?
Let me know, please.
Frankie

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Posted 24 December 2011 - 02:44 PM

Hello again..
I have bought a sight extender, but it is made of alluminum, don't you know, if it is US WWII, US pre-war, US post war or non-US item?
Let me know, please.
Frankie

Take a look at the TMs for the M2 - I think the sight extension may have been for the M19 60mm Mortar

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:46 AM

Hi everyone,
I have worked a lot on improving 60mm mortar display last year, I hope you enjoy it. I am still looking for some M51 containers and the steel holders for them.

regards

Frankie

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:48 AM

one more

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Posted 07 May 2012 - 11:49 AM

...and a detail ;) thanks for looking!
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Posted 07 May 2012 - 12:40 PM

Take a look at the TMs for the M2 - I think the sight extension may have been for the M19 60mm Mortar



I think the M19 (with M1 "Airborne" base plate) does not have a sight, so you cannot use the sight extender or aiming poles... If it is fixed in M5 mortar legs (mount) and M2 baseplate, it is the same mount as for the M2... I also have a picture in a Manual showing M2 with a sihgt extender - and tey write there about it :)

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