1866 - 1899 Belts with Plates & Cartridge Boxes
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Edited by craig_pickrall, 28 March 2007 - 07:57 AM.
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Greg, I think your CW plate alone on yours would bring $300 to $400 these days. I haven't priced these plates lately but they going for that a few years ago. Ray
Posted 15 January 2007 - 06:04 PM
Edited by US CANTEEN GURU, 15 January 2007 - 06:05 PM.
Posted 16 January 2007 - 03:25 AM
The color of the belt, black or brown, might help as the Army changed to the color of brown for most of their leather in either 1902 or 1904. I always get those two dates mixed up. Ray
Posted 16 January 2007 - 08:29 PM
Extract from War Department Annual Reports 1904, Vol. II, Report of the Chief of Ordnance.:
Russet leather. Equipments made of the stuffed russet leather prescribed by General Orders, No. 81, 1902, soiled the soldiers’ clothing to such an extent that it was found necessary to adopt a leather containing even less oil than that referred to in my last report. The greater part of the leather equipment so far made during the present calendar year have been made of this new leather. It is believed that the khaki and olive-drab uniforms prescribed by the same order show grease stains much more plainly than the blue. A process was devised at Rock Island Arsenal by which nearly all the oil in the first leather can be removed, and orders have been given to apply it to a sufficient number of the different leather equipments, which with those made of the new leather, will enable all of the older in the service to be replaced. The equipments thus replaced will be cleaned and stored as part of the reserve supply since the oily leather keeps much better in storage.
R.I.A. continued to make black leather equipment contemporaneously with the brown leather items. The black leather probably went to the Militia so that they would not have a mix of brown and black leather.
The terms "Russet" and "Fair" leather were often used interchangeably. In the 1900s R.I.A. referred to the "Stuffed russet leather" described as "Russet." In 1904 the leather articles produced did not have the oil and were known as "Fair" leather.
The adjusting hook on the belt in question appears to be the hook from the standard musket sling or one of the hooks from a saber belt cross strap from the Civil War. The overall appearance of the belt is field or "saddler" made and not something that came from any contractor or arsenal.
The belt plate was known as the 1874 Army officer pattern, produced 1890-1920. These were manufactured and sold commercially as ohfficers were required to purchase their uniforms and those accouterments prescribed in unifom regulations.
The cartridge box is an early pattern of the McKeever box. It was made at either Watervliet Arsenal or Rock Island Arsenal. They were usually stamped just above where the closure flap is sewn to the back of the body. In fact the marking appears to be Watervliet Arsenal on this example which would mean it was made prior to 1891. Later patterns of this cartridge box had leather cartridge loops and the hole in the flap was reinforced with a brass washer.
Edited by craig_pickrall, 28 March 2007 - 08:02 AM.
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The 2nd belt has the standard 1874 waist belt hook on it and is probably an NCO belt as it was arsenal issued where as officers purchased their belts from military unifom stores. Too late at night to think straight.
Posted 17 January 2007 - 04:06 AM
US canteen states. But it would be a post CW sling as the hooks on both the CW slings and over the cross saber straps are not round but slightly flattened and squared. So that still puts the belt Post war. Here's an example of the style hooks on the CW cross straps and a musket sling. As you can see CW period hooks on these items and including waist belts of the period, are not round. The style for IW hooks on early slings and belts generally changed to a more rounded style. Ray
Posted 17 January 2007 - 06:32 AM
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