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#1 rambob

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Posted 07 January 2007 - 07:11 PM

Here is a really nice Boyt 41 M1928 Pack all assembled with all recommended components (except the C rations). This includes the wool overcoat, raincoat and complete blanket roll down to the underwear and socks. It is a bear to lug to shows because of it's weight, but it is a big khaki attention getter once there. I have suspender pads installed and the shoulder straps adjusted down real tight for easier transport. The pack is filled with clothes, while the manual says it would really be filled with C rations in two rows. But who can afford that many C rats to be buried inside a pack.

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Posted 08 January 2007 - 12:39 AM

Thanks, now I finally know how to pack my haversack. Does anyone know the purpose is of the 2 D-rings attached to the tail?

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Posted 08 January 2007 - 03:46 AM

These pictures have been taken out of FM21-15, look closely at the fig 10 in pic 3, pack carier suspension D rings are for attachment of the pack suspenders when pack TAIL is used.

The offical line when attaching the overcoat is to use the shelter rope,but a switched on GI may have aquired some straps same as you for ease of attachment.

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Posted 08 January 2007 - 03:47 AM

3rd pic.

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Posted 08 January 2007 - 05:42 AM

In my collection I have a 1941 dated M1928 Haversack manufactured by BOYT.
Intrestingly, it's missing the big U.S. Stencil on the outer flap. How about that?
Could it be USMC? Curious what you have to say about it.

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Posted 08 January 2007 - 06:42 AM

Is the Boyt maked on the back? I think the USMC ones are maked as so inside. I had this conversation with a mate and best we could come up with is they were supplied to pro US countries like the Philippines, etc early in WW2.

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Posted 08 January 2007 - 08:02 AM

There is no USMC stamp inside. On the back of the pack it is dated BOYT 41. Could this gear also have been issued to US troops going abroad?

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Posted 08 January 2007 - 09:04 AM

Boyt Harness Co., Des Moines, Iowa had two Army QMC contracts in 1941 for haversacks:

W-431 QM-05098 $537k July 41 completed Oct 41
W-431 QM-00075 $529k Aug 41 completed Jan 42

The Army got alot of haversacks, marked U.S. or not, for 1.66 million dollars. There was also two contracts for pack carriers totaling $136,000.

In 1942 Boyt had contracts for haversacks totaling 1.548 million dollars.

Note that contracts intended for lend lease had an "L" suffix and it is known some of these items were marked "U.S."

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 01:53 AM

Is there any evidence of British Made M1928 Haversacks being used frequently in the ETO ?

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 04:59 AM

As with any of the British-made gear, it was specifically made for use in the ETO, judging by the fact that you can find them in used condition, then they were used for definite.

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 05:12 AM

Ah, but the usual question then applies, how early were they seen?

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 05:20 AM

From what I've seen on period photographs and battlefield picked up items I would say that the BM items were used in the ETO from D-Day onwards. They were probably issued to US troops in preparation for D-Day and used throughout the remainder of WW2. I have yet to see evidence of its use 'en masse' by troops in Italy or Southern France.

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 05:27 AM

One thing about British-made gear obviously the "6-month rule" doesn't apply when talking about production to reaching the front lines, since it wasn't being shipped across the Atlantic.

There's plenty of British-made equipment dated 1943, so it shouldn't be an issue to assume that some units had it prior to D-Day. The 82nd are certainly seen with British-made equipment in Normandy.

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 05:30 AM

Do you have any evidence of its use by the 82AB in Italy?

I think it was mainly issued to troops training for the invasion during winter 43-44 in Britain.

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 05:40 AM

It would make sense for it to be mainly used by units who were stationed in Britain before going to the continent, rather than those shipped straight from the US.

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 06:28 AM

I would think that you're quite correct in that assumption Johan.

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 07:30 AM

http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=2484203mhvx3.jpg

This guy is wearing a Brit-made M1928 haversack. I can also post a picture of a paratrooper inside a C-47 with a Brit-made musette bag.

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 08:10 AM

Took me a little bit of close peering at that photo to work out how you knew that!

British-made M36 Suspenders and Musette Bags are quite common in the 82nd and 101st. They then to be the most obvious British-made items that you can spot in photos as well. It's harder to spot Brit-made First Aid Pouches with the Newey-studded flap, but they are there.

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Posted 12 January 2007 - 08:55 AM

The Special Warfare Museum in Fayettesville, NC (just outside Ft Bragg) has the British made Musette bag carried by CAPT - COL (later GEN) William P. Yarborough. There is a better than even chance this one was in Italy or Southern France.

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 12:59 AM

Sunday afternoon produced this set of field gear from my box of Pandora in the attic. Items I bought as a boy from Dutch surplus stores in the late 70īs for very little money. Not hampered by any knowledge I bought and assembled pieces of field gear with a nice "US" stamp on them. All very lightly used, if at all.

My research has identified the items as being:

Belt, Cartridge, Cal .30, Dismounted, M-1923
By Boyt. Canīt read the year of manufacture.

Haversack, M-1928
Boyt 1941

Pouch, Meatcan, M-1928.
Canīt find maker or date.

Carrier, Pack, M-1928
Pack tail by American Leather Products Corp 1941

I would be interested to know if there is a way to date the cartidge belt and to identify the maker and date of the meatcan pouch.

Is there any other information on the items that you would like to share?

By the way: it will go back in Pandoraīs box and wonīt be on eBay next week.

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Posted 29 January 2007 - 06:09 AM

Your cartridge belt looks OD3 colour so you can have an idea of the year looking at buckle material, brass until mid 1942 about and light alloy after. In late 1943 they shifted to OD7 colour.

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Posted 29 May 2011 - 05:08 PM

There is no USMC stamp inside. On the back of the pack it is dated BOYT 41. Could this gear also have been issued to US troops going abroad?

I have one thats identical. almost a pea green to, with brass hardware, dated 1941. no USMC or thrid bayonet eyelet though, so id assume its an army one

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:59 PM

Here is a really nice Boyt 41 M1928 Pack all assembled with all recommended components (except the C rations). This includes the wool overcoat, raincoat and complete blanket roll down to the underwear and socks. It is a bear to lug to shows because of it's weight, but it is a big khaki attention getter once there. I have suspender pads installed and the shoulder straps adjusted down real tight for easier transport. The pack is filled with clothes, while the manual says it would really be filled with C rations in two rows. But who can afford that many C rats to be buried inside a pack.

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Outstanding! I have a question on the fastening of the overcoat to the top of the pack (which could also be done with a blanket roll since guys didn't carry their pack tails). I see there's a utility strap on the top and sides of the roll, what did you fasten that to?

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Posted 03 November 2011 - 08:37 PM

Outstanding! I have a question on the fastening of the overcoat to the top of the pack (which could also be done with a blanket roll since guys didn't carry their pack tails). I see there's a utility strap on the top and sides of the roll, what did you fasten that to?



Follow this link and look at post # 6 to see the Overcoat Roll.

http://www.usmilitar...showtopic=13234

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Posted 19 May 2012 - 09:39 AM

Hi I have instructions for the USMC heavy marching order pack, they are for the M1928 but I read some where one time that the marine corp pack was bigger than the armys. Does any body know if there is a difference. here are pics of the sheet, its a copy. Thanks

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