jason_w Posted December 28, 2007 Share #1 Posted December 28, 2007 Hello, This uniform belonged to a friend of mine who served as a Civilian (State Department) Public Safety Advisor in Ba Xuyen Province. The shirt he is wearing in the second photo is the exact shirt shown below. Sorry to cover up the name tape. Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason_w Posted December 28, 2007 Author Share #2 Posted December 28, 2007 He did a pretty good job of covering up the name tape in this photo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALERY Posted December 28, 2007 Share #3 Posted December 28, 2007 Bonjour Jason, That's a great advisor uniform , not so common to find. Is it a lightweight or heavyweight twill? The "earth flower" pattern (translation of the vietnamese expression) is less famous than other Tiger stripes or ERDL but 've been widely used by SVN policemen involved in Phoenix, their US Advisors, few SEAL's and Khmer Serei guerilla. Thanks to share Valery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nguoi tien su Posted December 28, 2007 Share #4 Posted December 28, 2007 Very nice ! He seems to be wearing a different beret on the picture, probably with a sewn on badge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SARGE Posted December 29, 2007 Share #5 Posted December 29, 2007 A very neat uniform! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted December 29, 2007 Share #6 Posted December 29, 2007 I always liked the NPFF camo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick. Posted December 29, 2007 Share #7 Posted December 29, 2007 Yet again a wonderful item. The "earth flower" pattern (translation of the vietnamese expression) Great information on the term, i have often wondered what the indigenous terminology for the pattern was! Patrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted December 30, 2007 Share #8 Posted December 30, 2007 "earth flower"(translation of the vietnamese expression) Where in the HELL did you come up with that definition/translation??????.....pretty much known as NPFF camo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALERY Posted December 30, 2007 Share #9 Posted December 30, 2007 Bonjour Spike, I wrote three years ago in Militaria Magazine an article relative to the SVN Field Police (Missions, organisations and insignias). Starting from nothing, I could discovered a FP veteran association and expected to obtain many infos by them. Unfortunately all their texts and captions were in vietnamese. I received very friendly emails but when questions became more accurate, things were not so easy to remember. Fortunately, I received a very helpful hand from one of my officer, fluent in vientamese who translate for me around fourty pages of SVN articles, book chapters etc! For the first time appeared the expression "earth flower" relative to the camo. I discovered in Paris before completed my article two ex-members from this organsiation who confirm me this idiomatic expression! Cheers Valery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALERY Posted December 30, 2007 Share #10 Posted December 30, 2007 I forgot to add that this camo is call not really exactly NPFF camo: if it's true that the Canh Sat Da Chien (CSDC) were the first of the police branches to receive this camo, through the war other branches (starting by the police officer academy) were allowed to wear it. Becomming the "normal cops" fatigues, Policemen wearing such camies with other left SSI than the CSDC dragoon could be obeserved in the late stage of the war. Hope it could help Valery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted December 30, 2007 Share #11 Posted December 30, 2007 I always thought it was NPFF for the most part at least by the photos I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick. Posted January 2, 2008 Share #12 Posted January 2, 2008 Bonjour Valery, do you recall the issue number of the Militaria magazine in question? I would very much like to find a copy. Patrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hochiminhtrail Posted January 2, 2008 Share #13 Posted January 2, 2008 Hi Jason, great infos that we got here, thanks that you posted your shirt, very nice that all the insignias are attached sween to it. for me as a new in the vietnam field it has been the firts time i have seen this shirt in NPFF camo, pants and jackets seem to be common. Alex Bonjour Valery, do you recall the issue number of the Militaria magazine in question? I would very much like to find a copy. Patrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hochiminhtrail Posted January 2, 2008 Share #14 Posted January 2, 2008 the NPFF camo seeem to be more brownish in their camouflage is that correct?? Cheers Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copran Posted January 2, 2008 Share #15 Posted January 2, 2008 Dear all, Thanks for sharing these interesting information, I read the Militaria magazine from Valery and I strongly recommend it for those who are interested in Vietnam war era camo and in the history of the Field Police force. I think this shirt shown in the picture is made from light weight twill (i would rather say in medium weight if you wat to compare to Tiger Stripe material), this uniform has the same cut as the late war pattern Tiger Stripe ( shirt with 2 flat pockets or box pockets with 2 buttons each, the pants have the US cut with 6 pockets). I ve acquired a set recently that I will try to post pictures ASAP,. there are also several pictures of US navy Seal wearing this camo while leading Phoenix operations... Cheers Bonjour Jason, That's a great advisor uniform , not so common to find. Is it a lightweight or heavyweight twill? The "earth flower" pattern (translation of the vietnamese expression) is less famous than other Tiger stripes or ERDL but 've been widely used by SVN policemen involved in Phoenix, their US Advisors, few SEAL's and Khmer Serei guerilla. Thanks to share Valery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VALERY Posted January 2, 2008 Share #16 Posted January 2, 2008 Bonsoir Thank you Copran for your kind feedback relative to the CSDC article. There is a lot of things to discover again on this subject. Patrick you can find this article in Militaria N° 236 of march 2005. http://militaria.histoireetcollections.com/ I added a shot of one of the models displaying a NCO of the BD5 in the late months of the war in the close suburbs of Saigon. Badged with all its original insignias (no put together here ),,this policeman was a former SVN special forces qualified US senior parachutist. There is other models but they have no direct connexion with US militaria. Cheers Valery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hochiminhtrail Posted January 2, 2008 Share #17 Posted January 2, 2008 Salut Valery i can make the difference very clearly betweeen the 2 different camo patterns. The colors are totaly different Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick. Posted January 2, 2008 Share #18 Posted January 2, 2008 Merci Valery, order placed! Patrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 2, 2008 Share #19 Posted January 2, 2008 Here is a shirt I've had for awhile, about a US-M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 2, 2008 Share #20 Posted January 2, 2008 I think this is a recently made shirt but it's weird...got it off EBAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 2, 2008 Share #21 Posted January 2, 2008 Close up of the top pocket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 2, 2008 Share #22 Posted January 2, 2008 US-L pants I found at the Rose Bowl last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike Posted January 2, 2008 Share #23 Posted January 2, 2008 The tag that is still on the pants..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason_w Posted January 3, 2008 Author Share #24 Posted January 3, 2008 Hello, Thanks for posting all the other examples. Nice stuff. Valery, the material is light weight. I also have the pants and a patrol cap. I will post photos when I get a chance. I have this guys photo albums and will post those soon as well. Here is another photo from his albums. Regards, Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason_w Posted January 3, 2008 Author Share #25 Posted January 3, 2008 Here is a interesting photo taken by an Army photographer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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