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#1 Sabrejet

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:21 AM

It doesn't take a rocket-scientist to deduce that helmet collectors are becoming increasingly paranoid about the growing number of spurious helmets being offered for sale these days, be they put-togethers, ones with applied markings or, more recently, re-furbished helmets from the likes of JMurray, ATF and TopPots etc. Because of the latter, whenever a "minty" helmet appears for sale collectors tend to treat it with suspicion because it appears "too good to be true"! Well...it ain't necessarily so. To that end I've photographed the details of two from-the-box mint M1s from my own collection which will hopefully help less experienced collectors differentiate between mint WW2 originals and contemporary re-furbished examples.

(NB. In down-sizing the pics their quality was downgraded a little...so apologies for that) :pinch:

Both helmets came from the same batch...a sealed crate of WW2 production helmets found at a National Guard armory and which were released for sale to collectors in the late 80s. Both have been in my possession since then. (I won't say how much I paid for them as I don't want to upset you! :lol: )

They are in mint condition...I still have the cardboard packaging. There are a few superficial scuffs and other marks from years of storage and some marks on the headband of one caused by son trying it on when he was a kid! :pinch: Other than that, they are just as they left the factory.

Both are front seam, swivel loop McCords (oval spot-welds on rim) One has OD#3 webstraps, the other, green OD#7 webstraps. The hardware is of brass treated with an inhibitor. The liners are both Westinghouses, but with subtle differences. One has unpainted zinc "A" washers, the other liner's are anodized. One has the neck-strap webbing with its ends tucked under (early '42), the other has the raw unfinished edge (late '42 >) The sweatbands and nape-straps are by different manufacturers, as you'd expect. Crocodile clips are OD. The leather chinstraps also have subtle differences. The suspension webbing is a fairly consistent 0D#3 triple weave HBT.

Although ostensibly "mint", there are subtle signs of age here and there... mainly light oxidization on some of the metal parts and a little verdigris around the chinstrap rivets and light crazing of the leather, in places. These tell-tale signs will hopefully enable collectors to tell original from re-furbished.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:22 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:23 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:23 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:25 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:26 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:27 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:28 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:29 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:30 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:31 AM

Ian,

Is that first liner a minty Inland? :blink:

Sweet helmets.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:32 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:32 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:33 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:34 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:34 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:35 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:35 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:36 AM

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:37 AM

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"Th-th-that's all folks!" :thumbsup:

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:41 AM

Ian,

Is that first liner a minty Inland? :blink:

Sweet helmets.



No Ken...both Westinghouses.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:44 AM

No worries Ian... Both cool :love: More than cool. Very nice liners and shells.

Everytime I see unpainted steel A-washers, kinda get carried away :blushing: ^_^

Cheers :thumbsup:

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:45 AM

No worries Ian... Both cool :love: More than cool. Very nice liners and shells.

Everytime I see unpainted steel A-washers, kinda get carried away :blushing: ^_^

Cheers :thumbsup:



You evidently need counselling Ken! :lol:

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:48 AM

But Ian, what does the helmet do and where does it fit in with the other Medals??

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 07:51 AM

Thank you for posting. Owing to the fact that these are both 100% original WW2 helmets, it provides a great basis upon which to compare our pending purchases. I have always been taken aback by the discussions of the 10 rows of webbing versus 11 rows on the chin strap. Can you expound on that to help me out? It looks like the two examples you posted; one has 10 rows, the other 11.

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