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#1 Jim Baker

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 09:54 AM

This is a rare, or at least scarce TD in that only 187 were converted. This is the M36B1. It was converted by mounting the turret of the M36 "Jackson" to the M4A3 chassis in order to complete an order. Apparently there was a shortage of the TD chassis, but since they were mechanically identical, this was a quick fix.

I'll post a few "production" photos. I have two combat photos I will post at the end. I would think these are fairly rare. I got them from the internet. If anyone has other combat photos of this vehicle, I would be very interested in seeing them. Thanks.

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#2 Jim Baker

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 09:55 AM

Another clear photo.

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 09:57 AM

The combat photos. In the first shot, these guys have thrown a track. I believe this vehicle is still operational since it's weapons remain on board and the crew is hanging around.

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 09:58 AM

I "believe" this is a B1 by the shape of the hull and the mantlet. Any thoughts are welcome.

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 10:01 AM

This is it for now. I may have a few more, but my photos are pretty disorganized since I use them as a slide show screen saver.

It's easy to miss these if the photo is taken from ground level. People tend to scan right by them. Anyway, if anyone has others they would care to share, I would appreciate it.

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 11:27 AM

Jim,

I only have this one to add.
It appears to come from some Field Manual.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t188/TD-soldier/M36B1TD3.jpg

Btw, you had the M36B2 too, this one had overhead armor.


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Posted 27 December 2007 - 02:08 PM

Hi Erwin,

Yes, that's correct...... M36B2

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 03:58 PM

Btw, did you know they tried to fit the M-18 with a 90 mm gun too?
Didn't find a picture of it though.

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Posted 27 December 2007 - 04:52 PM

Btw, did you know they tried to fit the M-18 with a 90 mm gun too?
Didn't find a picture of it though.

Erwin



Yep. I have a photo of one but no scanner. They have done some crazy stuff with these TD chassis and turrets. I saw a photo somewhere of a T-55 with an M36 turret. Waste not, want not...... :blink:

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 05:50 PM

This is interesting. Modern day Iraq? I hope the Army was smart enough to bring this rare vehicle home.

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Posted 02 March 2008 - 06:51 PM

Hey Jim:

How about this one? It was serving with the 3rd Armored Division. Photo was taken in the Rhineland.

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 07:19 AM

Btw, did you know they tried to fit the M-18 with a 90 mm gun too?
Didn't find a picture of it though.

Erwin


Here ya go Erwin,

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/30th_Inf_Sniper/M18_90mm.jpg

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 08:40 AM

Thanks, Friscan. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif
It looks awesome.

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Posted 03 March 2008 - 02:45 PM

Thanks, Friscan. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif
It looks awesome.

Erwin


Hey Erwin,

No problem. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif

I found it fascinating but back in the 1980's while the fighting was still going on in Bosnia the Serbs were still using the M-18's and M-36's as front line fighting armored vehicles! http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif :blink:

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 12:57 AM

Hey Erwin,

No problem. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif

I found it fascinating but back in the 1980's while the fighting was still going on in Bosnia the Serbs were still using the M-18's and M-36's as front line fighting armored vehicles! http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif :blink:

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Friscan,

That M-18 is a pretty nice vehicle for it's age. If you go to u-Tube and look at, (I believe it's called "Overhaul"), they rebuild one. Some excellent features in that TD. I'm at work right now and can't check it.

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 02:39 AM

Hello Jim,

This is interesting. Modern day Iraq?

Yes, modern day Iraq. This is one of ex-Iranian vehicle captured by the Iraqis in Iran-Iraq war of 1980-1988.

I hope the Army was smart enough to bring this rare vehicle home.

I hope not only your Army ;)

The Polish 10th Armored Cavalry Brigade arrived to Poland from Iraq also with its vehicle of this type. Below night disembarking in Poland can be seen.

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 03:25 AM

If not mistaken, I believe the Taiwanese Army had M-18s as well.
I think one was transported to the US and restored with markings of the 704th TD Bn.

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 12:37 PM

Hello Jim,
Yes, modern day Iraq. This is one of ex-Iranian vehicle captured by the Iraqis in Iran-Iraq war of 1980-1988.
I hope not only your Army ;)

The Polish 10th Armored Cavalry Brigade arrived to Poland from Iraq also with its vehicle of this type. Below night disembarking in Poland can be seen.


Gregory,

Look at the camo. I think it's the same vehicle!! I sure hope they fix it up. These really are pretty rare. Thanks for posting this!!

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 12:51 PM

Gregory,

Look at the camo. I think it's the same vehicle!! I sure hope they fix it up. These really are pretty rare. Thanks for posting this!!

Hi Jim,

I thought the same when I saw your pic! Either the Iraqis coated ideally repeatable camouflage scheme for these AFVs or... this is the same vehicle.

Somehow or other you may sleep well :D AFV is in very good Allied hands now. It stands at Świętoszˇw, Poland, in the base of 10th Armored Cavalry Brigade. The Polish military mechanics restored it very nice.

Best regards

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 12:56 PM

Hi Jim,

I thought the same when I saw your pic! Either the Iraqis coated ideally repeatable camouflage scheme for these AFVs or... this is the same vehicle.

Somehow or other you may sleep well :D AFV is in very good Allied hands now. It stands at Świętoszˇw, Poland, in the base of 10th Armored Cavalry Brigade. The Polish military mechanics restored it very nice.

Best regards

Greg



That's great to hear. Is it possible to get photos of the restored vehicle??

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 01:48 PM

That's great to hear. Is it possible to get photos of the restored vehicle??

Ooooooooops,... the Poles at the USMF will kill me in a moment - I mistook both our armored unit and a place where M36 is... :lol: Pardon :rolleyes:

So the facts are as follows: This M36 belongs now to the 11th Armored Cavalry Division. The unit took this AFV from its Iraq tour. M36 is in divisional base now at Żagań, Poland. For you Żagań will be better known from the "Great Escape" movie on the Allied airmen POWs. Their camp in that movie is just at Żagań.

Two pics below - M36 at the tank transporter platform riding from the Polish Navy Port to home of the 11th Armored Cavalry Division and restored M36 at Żagań Polish Army base.

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Posted 04 March 2008 - 02:01 PM

Thank you Greg.

Cheers for the Poles!! What a great job. http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/thumbsup.gif

Thanks for the photos.

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Posted 05 March 2008 - 06:57 AM

What a weird muzzle break (on the pictures with the Iraqi camo job). http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif

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Posted 05 March 2008 - 09:56 AM

What a weird muzzle break (on the pictures with the Iraqi camo job). http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif

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It's not the original barrel. The original did not have a fume extractor. In the first photo the muzzle break is slid backwards a bit.

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Posted 11 July 2008 - 04:12 PM

It's not the original barrel. The original did not have a fume extractor. In the first photo the muzzle break is slid backwards a bit.



Not sure how the Polish got them back but there are a few of them over here. I saw two M36's at COB Speicher and many of our US units have asked to take them back and the US ARMY and GOVT have said NO!!! There is also a Hellcat and Sherman sitting at Taji will try to get pics of them to show you. Same deal not sure why we can't take them back but we are forbidden to take any thing back as war trophies etc from here.

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