Rosette Info Needed

[hirsca]

I picked these up yesterday along with other items from the estate sale of a retire USAF BG who started his career in the Army as an artillery officer. They measure in size from 1/2" to 3/8" to 1/4". The 1/2" is dark blue along the edge with blue, gold and blue going from the edge to the center. The first 3/8" size is a pink/salmon color with narrow very light blue diagonal stripes. All in the last group are solid red in both 3/8" and 1/4" sizes. Would the 1/2" size be for wearing on a civilian jacket lapel? And would the 3/8" and 1/4" sizes be placed on full size and miniature medals respectively? Any comments or info on these is much appreciated. Thanks, Al Hirschler in Dallas.

[SEABEEBRIAN]

I think the middle ones look like Order of the British Empire and the red ones look like the french Legion of Honor

[F-X]

Agree for the Legion of honor, this is the same red, rosette is for the officer grade.

[Jack's Son]

I'll go with the Middle being the 2nd Nic, the right being the French LoH (BC)

 

The one on the left I can't see well, a better pic will help.

[hirsca]

Thank you SEABEEBRIAN and F-X.

 

I don't think that it is the BOE since the narrow sripes on mine are diagonal and not vertical. Also, the color on mine is a very light blue and not the pearl-gray color as on the BOE. As for the French Legion of Honor, the red is certainly the color for that award, but a brief search on the internet said that the FLOH is rarely given to anyone but French nationals. But, I guess, anything is possible. Thanks again for your comments. Al.

[hirsca]

I'll go with the Middle being the 2nd Nic, the right being the French LoH (BC)

 

The one on the left I can't see well, a better pic will help.

 

Here ya' go.

 

What is the 2nd Nic?

 

Thanks, Al.

[Jack's Son]

Here ya' go.

What is the 2nd Nic?

Thanks, Al.

Second Nicaraguan Campaign Medal.

 

Thanks for the new pic!

[hirsca]

Second Nicaraguan Campaign Medal.

 

Thanks for the new pic!

 

Hi Jack's Son. Close, but no cigar on the 2nd Nic. Here is a better side view showing the diagonal stripes----similar to the way the stripes are on the USAF Combat Action Medal ribbon.

 

Thanks, Al.

[Jack's Son]

Al,

My resources have run dry!

Thank you for the new pictures, I'll keep looking.

[hirsca]

Al,

My resources have run dry!

Thank you for the new pictures, I'll keep looking.

 

Google Republic of Vietnam Staff Service Ribbon. Looks close. But would it be issued to US military personnel?

 

Thanks, Al.

[jmpmstr]

I picked these up yesterday along with other items from the estate sale of a retire USAF BG who started his career in the Army as an artillery officer. They measure in size from 1/2" to 3/8" to 1/4". The 1/2" is dark blue along the edge with blue, gold and blue going from the edge to the center. The first 3/8" size is a pink/salmon color with narrow very light blue diagonal stripes. All in the last group are solid red in both 3/8" and 1/4" sizes. Would the 1/2" size be for wearing on a civilian jacket lapel? And would the 3/8" and 1/4" sizes be placed on full size and miniature medals respectively? Any comments or info on these is much appreciated. Thanks, Al Hirschler in Dallas.

Any information on his service or locations he served? Any specific combat service to help us narrow down the potential awards these correspond to?

Tony

[F-X]

TAs for the French Legion of Honor, the red is certainly the color for that award, but a brief search on the internet said that the FLOH is rarely given to anyone but French nationals.

 

The Legion of honor is awarded to foreigners, military or civilians, but they are not members of the order. A lot of Americans received it and all WWII US veterans who fought in France could receive it.

[Jack's Son]

Al,

The medal was awarded to a handful of Americans. However, I wonder if the green boarder would have also been incorporated in the rosette. If not this one will be as close as it gets. It was first awarded in 1964, but I don't think the French LoH would have been awarded at that time of the war......the French had gone by then.

 

One such awarde ....... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_E._Wilhelm

[SEABEEBRIAN]

I'm still pretty sure It's an OBE.

[hirsca]

Any information on his service or locations he served? Any specific combat service to help us narrow down the potential awards these correspond to?

Tony

 

Thanks Sal. His name is/was Peter J. Hino. I think that he was a USMA graduate (based on other items that I saw in the house) and started his career in the Army as an artillery officer. Awarded the Army LoM for service 1966-68. His serial number was O69081. Switched to the USAF later on, from which he retired (again, based on items seen in the house). Thanks again, Al.

[hirsca]

I'm still pretty sure It's an OBE.

 

But the stripes on mine are diagonal, not vertical like on the OBE. Thanks, Al.

[hirsca]

I'm still pretty sure It's an OBE.

 

Hello SEABEEBRIAN. Well, after looking at Jack's Son post about the OBE earlier this morning, I am going to yield to your keen eye. After I took a closer look at the rosette, I can see that the stripes are of different widths and the color does match the OBE posted by Jack's Son. My only remaining question is why the stripes on the rosette are diagonal while they are vertical on the ribbon of the OBE? Could that be just the way the rosettes were made? Thanks again for your persistence! Now that's two down and one to go. Still need an ID on the last one. Thanks, Al.

[Tim B]

Not sure why it would have a rosette but, the colors of the blue example seem to match that of the Armed Forces Reserve Medal.

 

Tim

[hirsca]

Not sure why it would have a rosette but, the colors of the blue example seem to match that of the Armed Forces Reserve Medal.

 

Tim

 

Thanks Tim B. Close, but no cigar. Colors and patterns aren't right. I'm thinking since the other two were foreign awards to this BG, this last one probably is too. Thanks again, Al.

[USAFnav]

Hello SEABEEBRIAN. Well, after looking at Jack's Son post about the OBE earlier this morning, I am going to yield to your keen eye. After I took a closer look at the rosette, I can see that the stripes are of different widths and the color does match the OBE posted by Jack's Son. My only remaining question is why the stripes on the rosette are diagonal while they are vertical on the ribbon of the OBE? Could that be just the way the rosettes were made? Thanks again for your persistence! Now that's two down and one to go. Still need an ID on the last one. Thanks, Al.

 

I think the stripes are diagonal because of the way the rosettes are made. Here is a partial quote from a small write-up by Albert Gleim in one of his catalogs, Medal Auction No. 28, Feb 1993:

"...Many, but not all, of the resettes intended for wear on the lapel of a civilian coat seem to meet the following criteria: 1) formed from 1/2 inch dia tubing cut into 3/16 in lengths; 2) wrapping of miniature ribbon (50% full width) of the medal to be represented, diagonally around the sides of the tube section at 60 degrees from the plane of the tubing;..."

So it seems that the rosettes were manufacuted that way. I've saved that catalog for almost 20 years, and now it's been put to use!

Hope this helps,

Pete

[hirsca]

I think the stripes are diagonal because of the way the rosettes are made. Here is a partial quote from a small write-up by Albert Gleim in one of his catalogs, Medal Auction No. 28, Feb 1993:

"...Many, but not all, of the resettes intended for wear on the lapel of a civilian coat seem to meet the following criteria: 1) formed from 1/2 inch dia tubing cut into 3/16 in lengths; 2) wrapping of miniature ribbon (50% full width) of the medal to be represented, diagonally around the sides of the tube section at 60 degrees from the plane of the tubing;..."

So it seems that the rosettes were manufacuted that way. I've saved that catalog for almost 20 years, and now it's been put to use!

Hope this helps,

Pete

 

USAFnav--Thank you so much for posting that info. :thumbsup: That clears up a whole lot of mystery. Another great example of how helpful this forum is. Thanks again, Al.

[USAFnav]

USAFnav--Thank you so much for posting that info. :thumbsup: That clears up a whole lot of mystery. Another great example of how helpful this forum is. Thanks again, Al.

You're welcome, I'm glad to have been of some help.

Pete

[SEABEEBRIAN]

I think the stripes are diagonal because of the way the rosettes are made. Here is a partial quote from a small write-up by Albert Gleim in one of his catalogs, Medal Auction No. 28, Feb 1993:

"...Many, but not all, of the resettes intended for wear on the lapel of a civilian coat seem to meet the following criteria: 1) formed from 1/2 inch dia tubing cut into 3/16 in lengths; 2) wrapping of miniature ribbon (50% full width) of the medal to be represented, diagonally around the sides of the tube section at 60 degrees from the plane of the tubing;..."

So it seems that the rosettes were manufacuted that way. I've saved that catalog for almost 20 years, and now it's been put to use!

Hope this helps,

Pete

I have never read anything on the manufacture of rosettes but have only looked at them and this seems to be accurate and since Al knew more than most anyone I've known since I will defer to him.

[Dave]

Thanks Sal. His name is/was Peter J. Hino. I think that he was a USMA graduate (based on other items that I saw in the house) and started his career in the Army as an artillery officer. Awarded the Army LoM for service 1966-68. His serial number was O69081. Switched to the USAF later on, from which he retired (again, based on items seen in the house). Thanks again, Al.

 

 

Nope, not listed as a USMA grad...

[Dave]

Probably this guy...from the William & Mary website:

 

Colonel Peter Joseph Hino USA (Ret.)

Class Year Group: 1953

Dallas, Texas