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The Jet Pilots Survival Knife

Started by gunbarrel , Jan 28 2012 10:41 AM

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#41 gunbarrel

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 02:03 PM

Thanks, Skip--glad you enjoyed it. About the one with the knucks; it was Joh Gibson's and he sold it. I never held it in my hands. You can get John's e-mail address from his website and ask him.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 02:14 PM

Loves me some Jet Pilotís knives:

Mine arenít nearly as pretty as yours. But they're mine.
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll61/sac_troop/Knives/IMG_0119.jpg

One of the knives, (a 1-1969 Ontario completely blackened) is a knife I traded from a Recon pilot I was stationed with in 77. I seem to have lost the notes I made at that time regarding the Pilot/knife. Maybe someday Iíll still run across those notes.
One of my 6Ē blades has the screw on pommel.
I feel very lucky to have a transitional Camillus knife with a 66 stamped blade and a 1-1967 pommel.


Gunbarrel, really nice presentation. I too really like that Utica with the black finish. I think some collectors make a mistake when they turn their noses up at the JPSKís that have been treated black. While I canít prove it Iím convinced that on more than one occasion unit commanders or other superiors ordered this gear changed to black finish the way a lot of boots, holsters, etc. were changed starting in the mid 50ís.

Any ideaís about what looks like a T-nut on the sheath of the Milpar knife?

Maybe one day Iíll trip over an aluminum handled Milpar.

I think my favorite in your collection is the Thai made interpretation of the JPSK.

My Air Force MOS was as a Photo Recon Technician. So I immediately recognized the RF-4C in the post above. I enlisted in April of 74 so I didnít go to South East Asia. But I did spend some of my time with the 67th AMS servicing the cameraís on those birds. Would you know if the Major may have spent some of his time at Bergstrom AFB ?

My father-in-law and Gen. Robin Olds became friends when they shared quarters at an Air field in Pennsylvania back in the 50ís. Olds was dating his later to become wife in those days and Bill would ride with him down to the flight line when he would fly off on the weekends to go visit with her. Bill would drive the car back to their quarters and pick him up when he got back. Later they were both stationed at Biloxi Miss. where the families would get together at times.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 03:24 PM

Oopps! My bad the Thai JPSK is from Mr. Gibsons collection. So the Utica is my favorite knife of yours. :lol:

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 04:24 PM

Great stuff, Rey. Thanks for the posting this. I have always thought that the Jet Pilot Knife never quite got the attention it deserved. Maybe that is changing a little bit now.

I have a few oddballs in my collection. Here is a very scarce one that I posted a while back on, the MMB Products blade dated 7-93.

MMBJPKnife0276.jpg

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Another oddball. Everyone has seen the 6 inch Marbles knives from the 1950s. How about a 5 inch plated Marbles JP? (I doubt that sewn in sheath is correct, but that is the way it came to me years ago so I'll keep them that way until I have a reason to do otherwise.)

CamJPPlated.jpg

Finally, here is a 12 year old pic of some of the JP blades in the collection at that time. Can you spot the MILPAR?

P5120087.jpg

Regards,
Charlie


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Posted 28 January 2012 - 05:11 PM

I'm gonna have to take the JPKs a lot more serious. Have never seen 5" or 6" bright Marbles. Did find an MMB after we talked about them a while back, finally just got a scabbard for it. Only have 4 now, but am concerned about all the good ones I've passed by in the last 45 years. Just gonna throw this out there. Does anyone have a used, loose leather scabbard for a 6" Camillus JPK floating around? Bought one in Raleigh, but need the correct scabbard. Found a couple of unused ones, but hate to pay more for the sheath than the knife ($50), plus the blade is used. THX SKIP

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 07:12 PM

Sactroop,

Thank you for the kind words. Not all of my JPK's are "pretty" :lol: Some are well-used, but I like them as much as the new ones. The important thing is that you feel good about your collection, and we both do. However, I will admit that I have upgraded a couple of them. Your 6" Camillus with the screw-on pommel would be a great addition to anyone's collection, and your "transitional 66-67" would be a very cool example to have. Maybe you can post pictures of it sometime; I'm sure all JPK fans here would love to see it. Same for your Ontario 1-1969 with the documented provenance. The T-nut on the sheath of the Milpar appeasr to be a field-expedient repair, which still works well.

Hey, that's very interesting about your MOS in the Air Force. Not sure about Major Polston at Bergstrom; I only know about him being stationed at Shaw AFB in SC before being deployed to SE Asia. He received a number of decorations over there, including a Silver Star. My Mother-in-Law worked with his daughter and I ran across his knife on *Bay after his state was liquidated. The guy that bought a number of things from the estate put it up for auction and I was lucky to find it.

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 07:19 PM

Charlie,

I'm glad you liked the post, and thank you for posting your outstanding 5" Marbles JPK and the MMB. Your collection of JPK's looks awesome! :thumbsup:

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 07:21 PM

I'm gonna have to take the JPKs a lot more serious...


Oh-oh...now "I've done did it"! :lol:

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 08:04 AM

Here is another pretty scarce Jet Pilot knife. This one is the Nordac Manufacturing Co. example. Nordac was based in Fredericksburg, VA and supplied a variety of items for the US military. The Nordac JP knives are butt marked. I have only seen a handful over the years.

 

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The butt marking with the characteristic NMC 7-80 marking.

 

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The sheath which is also Nordac marked.

NordacSheathmarkings.jpg

Regards,
Charlie


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 08:18 AM

Charlie,

Fantastic! I've heard of Nordac, but I did not know they produced JPK's.

Thanks for posting it! :thumbsup:
Rey

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 08:22 AM

Click here for more information on Nordac:

http://www.usmilitar...d...8&hl=Nordac

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:38 PM

GB, Here’s some pictures. Some details of the early 1967 Camillus JPSK

 

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IMHO While Camillus used marked blades left over from their 1966 production on knives assembled in 1967. It appears to me that they ran out of those blades early in January of 67. I’ve seen quite a few 1-1967 pommel marked knives with sterile blades. Also I haven’t seen any blade marked knives with a marked pommel later than 1-1967.

 

My black Ontario JPSK

 

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Heres a comparison of the blade of the Ontario (pointing up from the bottom) next to my Milpar

 

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These (IMHO) are two different examples of crewman taking the initiative of modifying their equipment to improve the function before such mods were adapted. The sheath for the Ontario was sewn into the pilots vest though it wasn’t a designed sew in variety. The sheath with the Milpar is what I call a theater modification to add a tip protector to the sheath. I’ve come to believe that the sheath for the Ontario is a replacement. I believe that the correct sheath for a 1-1969 would have had the short tip protector with what I call a greenish/yellow anodizing.

 

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On the Ontario I’m trying to show that in the case of this particular knife the pilot went out of his way to cover everything in black. The picture may not show it well but the pommel has the original grey paint under the black coating. As well as black over the original Parkerizing of the blade and the other steel parts. The sheath and I assume the leather handle look to have been dyed. This is the stuff we commonly bought at the BX to retreat our boots and such.

 

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:05 PM

I had a little time today to take some pics of several JP knives in the collection. Here is one that I think is fairly unusual: a 6 inch plated Camillus with the screw on butt. I have never seen another one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Knives/Camillus6inchJPknifeplatedscrewonbuttleftsideed.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Knives/Camillus6inchJPknifeplatedscrewonbuttrightsideed.jpg

Regards,
Charlie

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:25 PM

Here is another plated blade which is a slightly younger version of the one above but in a 5 inch length. It bears the butt markings Camillus NY 8-81.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Knives/CamillusplatedJPknife8-81ed.jpg

This is undoubtedly one of the JP knives sold by Camillus on the commercial market. Camillus gave this knife the Model Number 1010 and called it the "Astronaut-Jet Space Knife". See the page below taken from a Camillus Cutlery Company Catalog. The Catalog is undated but I would estimate that it dates to the late 1960s-70s.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Knives/CamillusCatalogJPAstronautKnifeModel1010.jpg

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:36 PM

IMHO
While Camillus used marked blades left over from their 1966 production on knives assembled in 1967. It appears to me that they ran out of those blades early in January of 67. Iíve seen quite a few 1-1967 pommel marked knives with sterile blades. Also I havenít seen any blade marked knives with a marked pommel later than 1-1967.


Sactroop:

You have a very nice example there of the dual marked Camillus 5 inch JP knife. At that time things were really ramping up for Viet Nam. I suspect that Camillus was cranking out the JP knives as fast as they could make them, and I expect that the factory did not worry much about the inconsistency of having dual marked blades. These dual marked blades are rarely seen today and many were no doubt expended in SEA.

Here is a pic of the example in my collection, also dated 1-67. Like you, I have never encountered a dual marked Camillus with a butt date of anything other than 1-67.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Knives/CamillusJPknifedualmarkeded.jpg

Regards,
Charlie

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 04:37 PM

Charlie, the knives your showing us has my head spinning! A 5" Marble's, a plated, or polished 6 in Camillus with screw pommel. I have to go now and find a paper bag. I'm starting to hyperventilate again. ;) :rolleyes: :blink: :w00t:

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:46 PM

Great stuff, Rey. Thanks for the posting this. I have always thought that the Jet Pilot Knife never quite got the attention it deserved. Maybe that is changing a little bit now.

Finally, here is a 12 year old pic of some of the JP blades in the collection at that time. Can you spot the MILPAR?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Knives/P5120087.jpg

Regards,
Charlie


Left side second one down from the top.

Excellent collection Charlie!

All the best
Frank Trzaska

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:58 PM

Nice Job GB, a long overdue thread.

A greatly under appreciated knife with all the best attributes in collecting. Several manufacturers, several makings, several lengths, several sheaths, etc. A wonderful collection can be had in the Pilots knives and if you do get to the end concentrate on the pre and post editions.


All the best
Frank Trzaska

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 06:25 PM

Left side second one down from the top.
Frank Trzaska


Bingo. Give that man a kewpie doll. Nice job spotting the MILPAR, Frank. And thanks for the compliment.

Regards,
Charlie

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:28 AM

Thanks, guys! :thumbsup: Keep those pictures coming!


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