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The Jet Pilots Survival Knife

Started by gunbarrel , Jan 28 2012 10:41 AM

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#51 gunbarrel

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 08:22 AM

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 01:38 PM

GB, Here’s some pictures. Some details of the early 1967 Camillus JPSK

 

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IMHO While Camillus used marked blades left over from their 1966 production on knives assembled in 1967. It appears to me that they ran out of those blades early in January of 67. I’ve seen quite a few 1-1967 pommel marked knives with sterile blades. Also I haven’t seen any blade marked knives with a marked pommel later than 1-1967.

 

My black Ontario JPSK

 

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Heres a comparison of the blade of the Ontario (pointing up from the bottom) next to my Milpar

 

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These (IMHO) are two different examples of crewman taking the initiative of modifying their equipment to improve the function before such mods were adapted. The sheath for the Ontario was sewn into the pilots vest though it wasn’t a designed sew in variety. The sheath with the Milpar is what I call a theater modification to add a tip protector to the sheath. I’ve come to believe that the sheath for the Ontario is a replacement. I believe that the correct sheath for a 1-1969 would have had the short tip protector with what I call a greenish/yellow anodizing.

 

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On the Ontario I’m trying to show that in the case of this particular knife the pilot went out of his way to cover everything in black. The picture may not show it well but the pommel has the original grey paint under the black coating. As well as black over the original Parkerizing of the blade and the other steel parts. The sheath and I assume the leather handle look to have been dyed. This is the stuff we commonly bought at the BX to retreat our boots and such.

 

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:05 PM

I had a little time today to take some pics of several JP knives in the collection. Here is one that I think is fairly unusual: a 6 inch plated Camillus with the screw on butt. I have never seen another one.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Knives/Camillus6inchJPknifeplatedscrewonbuttleftsideed.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Knives/Camillus6inchJPknifeplatedscrewonbuttrightsideed.jpg

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:25 PM

Here is another plated blade which is a slightly younger version of the one above but in a 5 inch length. It bears the butt markings Camillus NY 8-81.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Knives/CamillusplatedJPknife8-81ed.jpg

This is undoubtedly one of the JP knives sold by Camillus on the commercial market. Camillus gave this knife the Model Number 1010 and called it the "Astronaut-Jet Space Knife". See the page below taken from a Camillus Cutlery Company Catalog. The Catalog is undated but I would estimate that it dates to the late 1960s-70s.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Knives/CamillusCatalogJPAstronautKnifeModel1010.jpg

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 02:36 PM

IMHO
While Camillus used marked blades left over from their 1966 production on knives assembled in 1967. It appears to me that they ran out of those blades early in January of 67. I’ve seen quite a few 1-1967 pommel marked knives with sterile blades. Also I haven’t seen any blade marked knives with a marked pommel later than 1-1967.


Sactroop:

You have a very nice example there of the dual marked Camillus 5 inch JP knife. At that time things were really ramping up for Viet Nam. I suspect that Camillus was cranking out the JP knives as fast as they could make them, and I expect that the factory did not worry much about the inconsistency of having dual marked blades. These dual marked blades are rarely seen today and many were no doubt expended in SEA.

Here is a pic of the example in my collection, also dated 1-67. Like you, I have never encountered a dual marked Camillus with a butt date of anything other than 1-67.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Knives/CamillusJPknifedualmarkeded.jpg

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 04:37 PM

Charlie, the knives your showing us has my head spinning! A 5" Marble's, a plated, or polished 6 in Camillus with screw pommel. I have to go now and find a paper bag. I'm starting to hyperventilate again. ;) :rolleyes: :blink: :w00t:

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:46 PM

Great stuff, Rey. Thanks for the posting this. I have always thought that the Jet Pilot Knife never quite got the attention it deserved. Maybe that is changing a little bit now.

Finally, here is a 12 year old pic of some of the JP blades in the collection at that time. Can you spot the MILPAR?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v146/Ordnanceguy/US%20Knives/P5120087.jpg

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Left side second one down from the top.

Excellent collection Charlie!

All the best
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Posted 29 January 2012 - 05:58 PM

Nice Job GB, a long overdue thread.

A greatly under appreciated knife with all the best attributes in collecting. Several manufacturers, several makings, several lengths, several sheaths, etc. A wonderful collection can be had in the Pilots knives and if you do get to the end concentrate on the pre and post editions.


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Posted 29 January 2012 - 06:25 PM

Left side second one down from the top.
Frank Trzaska


Bingo. Give that man a kewpie doll. Nice job spotting the MILPAR, Frank. And thanks for the compliment.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:28 AM

Thanks, guys! :thumbsup: Keep those pictures coming!

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:56 PM

I only have 2 for now, both Ontario.

The 1976 Ontario was bought from Cheaperthandirt a few years ago. It was new/unissued & cheap! I think it was $20 or less & a very limited supply. I bought one, then my wife's grandfather wanted one, but he was too late. I don't know if it was a factory reject due to the pocket for the stone being sewn on crooked or not. Dated 10-76 & has a black painted pommel.

The 1969 Ontario was given to me by "The Colonel". He claims he bought it at the px with the intention of carrying it in 'Nam, but he was issued a Camillus M3 (his "ear harvester"). Anyhoo, it has a white painted pommel & is dated 1-1969.

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 07:57 PM

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 10:03 PM

I think that 1-1969 is the earliest for the Ontario pilots knife. Good get to have one near new. :thumbsup:

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 04:10 AM

I think that 1-1969 is the earliest for the Ontario pilots knife. Good get to have one near new. :thumbsup:


Ditto! :thumbsup:

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 02:39 AM

I ran across this photo in my collection and I realized I had not posted it. It's one of my favorite military photos. General George P. Seneff with a 6" JPK in a custom-made sheath. You don't see Generals nowadays carrying knives.

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Posted 15 May 2012 - 02:42 AM

His last name is misspelled here.

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Posted 04 June 2012 - 05:58 PM

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10. Camillus 6” Blade – Dog heads “theater” knife. Saw teeth removed.


I have this Dog Head knife with a 5 inch blade. Looks like everyone is relating to the discription from the Wright Book page #121. As you can see the alum covers up the makers name. This is not a Milpar grind, the one on the bottom is a Milpar and the middle one is a Camillus. I myself do not completly think Milpar had made a alum. handle for the military. I do beleive that these Dog Heads and other alum blades with the Viet Nam story is not so. I am 75 % leaning in the direction as many others have that these blades are surplus that was finished out for the sporting / hunting market.
Yes, I did buy one! It is a chase for me to find the corrrect story and perhaps I never will. I worked at the Milpar Plant for a few weeks as a temp worker back in 1965 and never got to go to the dept. that made these knives. The old Milpar plant is apx 6 miles from my house. More later on my interest of Milpar blades.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 03:19 PM

I myself do not completly think Milpar had made a alum. handle for the military.


Hi Delta Vet,

I never heard of anyone thinking that. What I have heard is that the factory made them with surplus blades for the commercial market at the time. Here is another style blade that you see quite often with the DHH. Mine is the one with the broken blade.

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 03:20 PM

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Posted 06 July 2012 - 03:20 PM

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Posted 07 July 2012 - 05:30 PM

I've posted this before on another thread.

She may not be pretty, except for pretty beat up, but she's mine. I always had my buck 110 on my belt, and used my K-Bar on ops, but I also used this camillus dated 5-67 on the boats.

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Posted 08 July 2012 - 02:20 AM

I've posted this before on another thread.

She may not be pretty, except for pretty beat up, but she's mine. I always had my buck 110 on my belt, and used my K-Bar on ops, but I also used this camillus dated 5-67 on the boats.


Thanks for posting it! :thumbsup:

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Posted 13 July 2012 - 07:16 PM

Here is my pile of JPKs

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