Post your SpanAM through WWI Navy uniforms

[Sion]

Any ideas on this?  

 

[67Rally]

13 hours ago, Sion said:

Any ideas on this?  

 

Interesting. That right arm patch is of an ancient Olympic games discus thrower.

[bosshark]

 

 

 

[Chris]

Just a cap with USS Powhatan tally

[moneywayne]

MY WWI set

[sigsaye]

6 hours ago, moneywayne said:

MY WWI set

Beautiful set.  Hopefully you can trace him down and find out what rate he was. And where he was stationed. Might have been shore duty since he’s got the generic cap ribbon. 

[Navymm98]

Here's a recent pick up. WW1 USN MMC jacket. But with 2 buttons instead of 4. Thoughts? No markings to show that there were 2 more buttons either. 

[67Rally]

My WWI Electrician 2/c Radio Technician. One of the vegetable-base cuff buttons was replaced. I suspect this is a private purchase uniform judging by a few of the differences from Naval Clothing Factory-made enlisted uniforms from this period.

[collectsmedals]

I am not sure, but based on the rating patches I believe these are both World War 1 era enlisted navy uniforms. There are no tags or labels.

[dmar836]

Still have yet to see a pair of verified dungaree trousers pre-WWII. Anyone have any earlier working wear?

Dave

[PatLaabs]

2 of my recent additions. GM1c that saw service in WWI and a 1905-1914 Hospital Apprentice 1st Class.

[dmar836]

So, during this period were there specific "work" dungarees per se? Or was that a later thing during and post WWI?

Dave

[29navy]

10 minutes ago, dmar836 said:

So, during this period were there specific "work" dungarees per se? Or was that a later thing during and post WWI?

Dave

They are listed in the 1913/1917 uniform Regs. I have a denim top in my collection. I'll pull it out. I have a picture of WWI-era denim trousers that were in the North Carolina archives.

 

[29navy]

This jumper matches what is described in the 1913/17 uniform regs:

[sigsaye]

7 minutes ago, 29navy said:

This jumper matches what is described in the 1913/17 uniform regs:

The thing to remember, is that dungarees were only allowed to specific rates, that got exceptionally dirts in their jobs, and were only to be worn when actually doing that job. For example, Gunners mates, while cleaning and servicing guns. Engineers when in the propulsion spaces. 

[29navy]

And here are the pictures of a WWI-era trousers I mentioned.

[dmar836]

Hey, Is that Charlie? Great shots for sure. How many loops are on those? I can count only three but that may be a distortion. Sides? Bilateral on front?

Sigsaye, I understand but I know they did exist yet are quite rare - even to find photos of verified examples.

Thanks so much,

Dave

[sigsaye]

14 minutes ago, dmar836 said:

Hey, Is that Charlie? Great shots for sure. How many loops are on those? I can count only three but that may be a distortion. Sides? Bilateral on front?

Sigsaye, I understand but I know they did exist yet are quite rare - even to find photos of verified examples.

Thanks so much,

Dave

They’re rare, because not everyone had them. Plus, being like coveralls, they were worn to death and tossed. I’ve seen WW1 photos of Submarine crews wearing them, and Aviation mechanics.  I have a 1916 BJM that discusses them, which very specific times they were worn and when strictly not worn. 

[sigsaye]

1 hour ago, 29navy said:

This jumper matches what is described in the 1913/17 uniform regs:

Additionally, you note that this is a pull over “Jumper” style garment. Actuality, called a jumper. That’s why later in 1926, when the blue chambray dungaree shirt is adopted, this garment was split open, removable buttons added and it was turned into a jacket of sorts. It was still called a “Jumper”. 

[29navy]

1 hour ago, dmar836 said:

Hey, Is that Charlie? Great shots for sure. How many loops are on those? I can count only three but that may be a distortion. Sides? Bilateral on front?

Sigsaye, I understand but I know they did exist yet are quite rare - even to find photos of verified examples.

Thanks so much,

Dave

Yes.  I only see 3 belt loops, but that wouldn't make sense. The 1913/17 regs don't say, but the 1922 regs indicate 4 belt loops.

[Justin B.]

USS G-4, 1916:

 

Even though there were regulation dungarees, pretty much any kind of commercially available work-wear might be worn. You can see jumpers with shawl collars, jumpers with step collars, chambray and flannel shirts, bib overalls and different kinds of button-up jackets. Four chiefs in dungarees, and one in blues with no tie and the (chambray?) shirt collar popping out.

 

On the commercial side, too, what we might now think of as a "jean jacket" was considered more like a working shirt or smock back then, not as cool weather outerwear.

[sigsaye]

49 minutes ago, Justin B. said:

USS G-4, 1916:

 

Even though there were regulation dungarees, pretty much any kind of commercially available work-wear might be worn. You can see jumpers with shawl collars, jumpers with step collars, chambray and flannel shirts, bib overalls and different kinds of button-up jackets. Four chiefs in dungarees, and one in blues with no tie and the (chambray?) shirt collar popping out.

 

On the commercial side, too, what we might now think of as a "jean jacket" was considered more like a working shirt or smock back then, not as cool weather outerwear.

Exactly!  What we look at as a uniform, was simply the common work wear for working men. You can see the same clothing being worn by miners, farmers, Railroad workers. Hence the term “Blue Collar “. 

[Justin B.]

This is future five-star admiral William Leahy aboard USS Oregon after the Battle of Santiago, 3 July 1898. Naval Cadet (Engineering) Leahy's battle station was in charge of the forward hydraulic pump room, which I believe served the forward turret. The photo inscription says he is in "his fighting costume." I can't tell if the trousers are denim or "blues" wool, but the chambray shirt and sweat rag are pretty clear. The officer on the right is the captain, Charles Clark. Though shoulder straps became regulation for officer whites in 1897, he has not bothered with them.

 

 

 

[sigsaye]

3 hours ago, Justin B. said:

This is future five-star admiral William Leahy aboard USS Oregon after the Battle of Santiago, 3 July 1898. Naval Cadet (Engineering) Leahy's battle station was in charge of the forward hydraulic pump room, which I believe served the forward turret. The photo inscription says he is in "his fighting costume." I can't tell if the trousers are denim or "blues" wool, but the chambray shirt and sweat rag are pretty clear. The officer on the right is the captain, Charles Clark. Though shoulder straps became regulation for officer whites in 1897, he has not bothered with them.

 

 

 

I would guess they were denim trousers. They were authorized for anyone working in “Dirty Conditions”, including Chiefs and Officers. They were considered like coveralls. 

[sigsaye]

5 inch gun crew, USS Cleavland. Of note here, is that the Sailor in the center is wearing an 1841 waist belt, carrying an 1862 Ames cutlass.