graham Posted December 18, 2011 Share #1 Posted December 18, 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted December 18, 2011 Author Share #2 Posted December 18, 2011 I think the pics say it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cooper Posted December 18, 2011 Share #3 Posted December 18, 2011 Wow! Very Very cool!!! Any maker id on the box? John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted December 18, 2011 Author Share #4 Posted December 18, 2011 Wow! Very Very cool!!! Any maker id on the box? John No. Just a gold box with a blue lid. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cooper Posted December 18, 2011 Share #5 Posted December 18, 2011 Now all you need is the 44-20 book to get a photo of the gunner! Super nice set! Cheers John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabrejet Posted December 18, 2011 Share #6 Posted December 18, 2011 Top of the range USAAF collectable! :w00t: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S McKibben Posted December 18, 2011 Share #7 Posted December 18, 2011 Awesome I am so jealous very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted December 18, 2011 Author Share #8 Posted December 18, 2011 Now all you need is the 44-20 book to get a photo of the gunner! Super nice set! Cheers John I tryed a NARA search but with no luck. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchInfid3l Posted December 18, 2011 Share #9 Posted December 18, 2011 I tryed a NARA search but with no luck. Graham ARMY SERIAL NUMBER 39216772 NAME KENNEDY#LLOYD#R######### RESIDENCE: STATE OREGON RESIDENCE: COUNTY MULTNOMAH PLACE OF ENLISTMENT SEATTLE WASHINGTON DATE OF ENLISTMENT DAY 14 DATE OF ENLISTMENT MONTH 12 DATE OF ENLISTMENT YEAR 43 GRADE: ALPHA DESIGNATION Private GRADE: CODE Private BRANCH: ALPHA DESIGNATION No branch assignment BRANCH: CODE 02 No branch assignment TERM OF ENLISTMENT Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law SOURCE OF ARMY PERSONNEL Civil Life NATIVITY BRITISH NORTH AMERICA or CANADA or LABRADOR or NEWFOUNDLAND YEAR OF BIRTH 19 RACE AND CITIZENSHIP White, citizen EDUCATION 2 years of high school CIVILIAN OCCUPATION Skilled welders and flame cutters MARITAL STATUS Single, without dependents COMPONENT OF THE ARMY Selectees (Enlisted Men) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchInfid3l Posted December 18, 2011 Share #10 Posted December 18, 2011 Ancestry.com Veterans Grave sites: Name: Lloyd R Kennedy Service Info.: SMSGT US ARMY AIR FORCES WORLD WAR II Birth Date: 11 Dec 1914 Death Date: 14 Jun 2003 Service Start Date: 14 Dec 1943 Interment Date: 20 Jun 2003 Cemetery: Tahoma National Cemetery Cemetery Address: 18600 SE 240th St Kent, WA 98042-4868 Buried At: Section 24 Site 987 Veterans Burial: Name: Lloyd R Kennedy Gender: Male Birth Date: 11 Dec 1919 Death Date: 14 Jun 2003 Cause of Death: Natural SSN: 538074639 Branch 1: ARMY Enlistment Date 1: 4 Jan 1944 Release Date 1: 20 Oct 1945 Branch 2: AF Enlistment Date 2: 1 Jun 1951 Release Date 2: 5 Nov 1952 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchInfid3l Posted December 18, 2011 Share #11 Posted December 18, 2011 Obit:with photo Link Lloyd R. Kennedy was born December 11, 1919 and passed from this world into eternity with Jesus on June 14, 2003. Lloyd moved to the Tacoma area as a child. He joined the Army Air Force in 1943 and was a veteran of World War II as a turret gunner on B-17 bombers in the European Theater. Lloyd reached the rank of Senior Master Sergeant in the Air Force Reserve and was supervisor of the 62 FMS welding shop at McChord AFB until his retirement in 1980.He enjoyed woodcutting and horseback riding in the hills during the early years of his retirement.Lloyd loved bowling and while his health permitted he was a regular at New Frontier Lanes, then Narrows Plaza Bowl. He continued to bowl almost daily even after his eyesight failed to enable him to see the pins. Lloyd is survived by his wife of 43 years, Grace; daughter, Julie; stepchildren, Janet (Donald) Kvamme, Robert Oberg, and Kenneth (Eileen) Oberg; and five brothers and sisters, Irene (Henry) Bonham, Margie Johnson, Beverly Maryott, Burley (Darleen) Norton, Shirley (Howard) Church, and; five grandchildren; two great-grandchildren; and many nieces and nephews. Services will be at 11 AM, Thursday, June 19, 2003 at the Mt. View Garden Chapel.Interment will be at Tahoma National Cemetery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted December 18, 2011 Author Share #12 Posted December 18, 2011 Thanks DutchInfid3l . Now why couldnt I do that :think: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchInfid3l Posted December 18, 2011 Share #13 Posted December 18, 2011 Thanks DutchInfid3l .Now why couldnt I do that :think: When I first saw it I thought it read Floyd. But the ASN worked perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchInfid3l Posted December 18, 2011 Share #14 Posted December 18, 2011 Again, don't know if he's the same, one is 1914 and the other 1919 but everything else lines up. Findagrave.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted December 20, 2011 Share #15 Posted December 20, 2011 Looks like he flew with the 457th Bomb Group from Glatton. However, there is one listing associated with that Group that shows him as being aboard a crashed plane early 1945 and killed. Discrepancy should be resolved. There is one of the best collections of vintage Hi-RES images posted online of this Group called the Zemper Collection. Wonderful period artifact. Ribbons, if complete, are short the DFC which would have marked a complete tour. PS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigJohn#3RD Posted December 20, 2011 Share #16 Posted December 20, 2011 Graham, Great piece of history; Thank You for sharing. Thanks to the rest of the folks who pulled all the information together. Great Work :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: Regards, John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted December 21, 2011 Author Share #17 Posted December 21, 2011 Looks like he flew with the 457th Bomb Group from Glatton. However, there is one listing associated with that Group that shows him as being aboard a crashed plane early 1945 and killed. Discrepancy should be resolved. There is one of the best collections of vintage Hi-RES images posted online of this Group called the Zemper Collection. Wonderful period artifact. Ribbons, if complete, are short the DFC which would have marked a complete tour. PS Thanks Paul, The 457th BG rosta lists a Sgt Lloyd R Kennedy Who is listed as the L/W Gunner of B17G 42-31630 PAKAWALUP. Which crashed on 2/20/45 near Alconbury Killing the crew. I am not sure how to confirm the ASN of this particular Lloyd R Kennedy. NARA lists 20 men of that name with various middle initials including 2 with no middle initial. Also I notice the 457th BG rosta has a Lloyd H Kennedy [No 'H' in NARA list] So plenty of scope for a mix up. Sarah, can you help :thumbsup: Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchInfid3l Posted December 21, 2011 Share #18 Posted December 21, 2011 I had also run across the 457th BG while searching before, listing a Lloyd R Kennedy and another Lloyd H. Kennedy Their message board stated:" I have photos of Lloyd Kennedy (the ballturret gunner on Lt. Mack's and Lt. Banes's crews)" The message board doesn't specify which Kennedy, and of course we don't know how many "lloyd Kennedy's" were gunners. Lt. Mack (quite a few on the roster): Bernard R. Mack Percy A. Mack Percy C. Mack Richard L. Mack William T. Mack and (George H.) Bane But, I couldn't find any flight photos for either crew, regardless of the name variants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchInfid3l Posted December 21, 2011 Share #19 Posted December 21, 2011 Here's the KIA "lloyd R. Kennedy" "Pakawalup" MACR: 42-31630 B-17G Date: 2/20/1945 Alconbury Crew: Lt Richard L. Mack - p Lt Donald E. Schick - cp Lt John S. Nierengarden - n Lt Ralph Bell - b Sgt Robert F. Reublin - e Sgt Charles Held - ro Sgt Lloyd R. Kennedy - wg Sgt Frank J. Eichenlaub - wg Sgt Raymond V. Hunter - bt Sgt Earl Whitmack - tg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchInfid3l Posted December 21, 2011 Share #20 Posted December 21, 2011 751st Bomb Squadron 457th Bomb Group 20 February 1945 Office of the Operations Officer, lists him on this crew that day... same ASN the day before, February 19th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchInfid3l Posted December 21, 2011 Share #21 Posted December 21, 2011 Yup, looks like he was on Mack's crew just before that day and just not the day it went down. February 16th February 15th What's weird is I can't find a crew report for Mack's crew the day of... the 19th or the 20th... The 16th is the last time I see Mack or any of Mack's crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cooper Posted December 22, 2011 Share #22 Posted December 22, 2011 Man this just keeps getting better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchInfid3l Posted December 22, 2011 Share #23 Posted December 22, 2011 "Pakawalup" Plane Crew Chief and Pilot or "Pakawalup" Jan. 1945 751st Bomb Squadron patch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
graham Posted December 22, 2011 Author Share #24 Posted December 22, 2011 Kennedy arrived at Glatton about the same time as Al and they flew their first mission on the same day. Kennedy, however, flew 33 missions, 20 of them with Lt. Mack's crew. By some miracle, he was assigned to another plane the day that Mack's plane crashed at Alconbury [i have been searching for information about this incident, but can't find any details on the website]. He continued to fly with several other crews, before becoming a regular on Lt. George Bane's crew. This was posted by Richard Torrello 3/8/2008 on the 457th BG web site. Graham Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul S Posted December 24, 2011 Share #25 Posted December 24, 2011 Kennedy arrived at Glatton about the same time as Al and they flew their first mission on the same day. Kennedy, however, flew 33 missions, 20 of them with Lt. Mack's crew. By some miracle, he was assigned to another plane the day that Mack's plane crashed at Alconbury [i have been searching for information about this incident, but can't find any details on the website]. He continued to fly with several other crews, before becoming a regular on Lt. George Bane's crew. This was posted by Richard Torrello 3/8/2008 on the 457th BG web site. Graham This is a happy end to the story...so many I've researched went the other way, the guy was flying his last mission when he went down. In analyzing another Group's missions I found that the pilots tended to finish their tours one or two or three missions before the rest of the crew. Probably due to their taking a few more orientation missions at the beginning of their tours. That left other members of the crew to be assigned a new pilot for those last few missions, often just one more... If their co-pilot took over as PIC, they stood a pretty good chance of making it. However, if they drew one of the new pilots, their chances went down considerably. I'm not sure of this, perhaps someone with the knowledge can chip in here, but it seems certain that over the course of flying a full tour, the pilots learned to read and avoid the flak patterns that came up after them, thus giving everyone aboard a better chance of being "where they ain't" when the AA rounds exploded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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