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#51 doyler

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Posted 24 January 2012 - 12:49 PM

He just sold a funny looking 101st camo jacket for over 2,000.00. Sorry don't know how to post the link.



That jacket didnt look right and he also had a hand camoed P41 USMC shirt that looked like the same paint.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:32 PM

I saw this visor in my search and something just didnt look right, then I scrolled down and saw the seller...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/320854140985

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Edited by carnut63, 21 February 2012 - 05:35 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:43 PM

I saw this visor in my search and something just didnt look right, then I scrolled down and saw the seller...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/320854140985

wholdingsvisor.jpg

Although that particular seller does sell some duff material, I don't see anything wrong with this hat. Looks like a fairly decent example.
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Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:46 PM

I'm pretty sure this is not ww2 and might not even be navy. I also took notice that most of all his uniform are not named .

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#55 carnut63

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 05:47 PM

I dont know what the heck that is!

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:07 PM

Guessing

Corps of Engineers, maybe for something like river work. VN era?

Don't collect that kind of stuff so I could be way off.

Edited by RustyCanteen, 21 February 2012 - 06:11 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:14 PM

I dont know what the heck that is!



Cap for Corps of engineers civilian officers serving on selected boats and ships.Believe this was instituted in 1969.
I passed one up on a dark blue cap once.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:15 PM

Cap for Corps of engineers civilian officers serving on selected boats and ships.Believe this was instituted in 1969.
I passed one up on a dark blue cap once.


I was close then.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:16 PM

I'm pretty sure this is not ww2 and might not even be navy. I also took notice that most of all his uniform are not named .

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Hmmmmm.... Learn something new everyday.

From: http://hawsepipe.blo...s-floating.html

U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, Floating Plant

The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has traditionally operated a wide variety of watercraft in support of the water resources and infrastructure under its purview. These vessels are found in the major waterways of the United States and its territories - once including the Panama Canal Zone when it was a U.S. territory, and South Vietnam during the war. Floating Plant, as these vessel are known, are manned by a civilian crews. The officers are licensed by U.S. Coast Guard; and presently most are graduates of the U.S. Merchant Marine Academy or other U.S. Maritime schools.

The military-status of Floating Plant personnel has had a chequered past. During the Second World War and the Korean War, unlike their colleagues serving in the Army Transportation Service, they were militarized and called to active duty. At the tail end of the Vietnam War, during the organizational reforms of the U.S. Army, Floating Plant personnel were deemed civilians.

In order to identify the officers serving on dredges, towboats, and ships of 60 feet or more, the Corps of Engineers directed they wear uniforms starting in 1969. The officers already wore khaki Navy-inspired uniforms with a variety of insignia denoting rank. Up until this point, hat badges were improvised and worn at the individual's discretion. Some wore a Maritime Service-style gold wreath with a Corps of Engineers branch insignia collar device in the center; others wore ball caps or garrison caps with the same.

With the new regulations came an end to improvisation and officially sanctioned khaki uniforms, headgear and employee identification. The khaki uniform was retained and reefers abolished, and officers were given a combination hat. The means of determining an individual's position aboard vessel is indicated by identification plates: Master, Engineer (rank) and Mate (rank). License state is indicated by the color of the wear hat's chinstrap: gold-colored for Coast Guard-licensed officers, black for all others. The Floating Plant personnel also wear a unique hat badge. The symbolism of the insignia is explained thus:

[...] silver Engineer castle with a gold anchor supporting on its stock, a silver eagle, wings displayed. The anchor represents the maritime functions of Floating Plant Personnel and the eagle represents Federal service.

The original directives provided for changing of hat cover from khaki to white, depending upon the season; current regulations do not state as such.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:18 PM

I was close then.



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Right on the money

nothing wrong with either cap

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 06:47 PM

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Right on the money

nothing wrong with either cap


Just the title.
"WWII -US Navy- Vintage Officer Engineer's Dress Uniform Visor Hat/Cap w/Badge"


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Edited by navyman, 21 February 2012 - 07:10 PM.


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Posted 21 February 2012 - 07:16 PM

But neither are fakes nor reproductions.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:46 PM

While I am on a w.holdings hatred/is a fraud kick here are some other suspicious items.

Patched like a pre-1913. Obviously others thought the same way I did because it sold for a whopping 54 bucks.

This is a Great, Early US Navy military uniform jumper/tunic. This wonderful Old piece has a Great, Early, Donald Duck/Cracker Jack style design, with a bib back & it's Original Patches, including a Gunner's, is made of a Denim like cotton twill, from around the World War I era and would be a wonderful addition to any collection. This has no marked Size, but measures approx. 20" from armpit to armpit and 26" from top to bottom. This appears to be in Very Good, Crisp, Clean condition, and displays MUCH better than the picture shows.

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 12:54 PM

Just for kicks here is the same Floating plant Engineer hat that w.holdings sold January 30th for $142.50.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/220938989152

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:23 PM

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I would say the jacket is good.Note the crows are forward facing.To me if one was faking it would not be easy to find a matched pair of Chief Corpmans rates.The red crosses were replaced in 1947 as I recall.The ribbon bar has been blurred as to blot out a purple heart ribbon possibly??Loks by the biding there are others who like it as well..... :lol:

I dont follow his auctions but agree with Bob and Mark.If you can wade through the chaff you can sift out a treasure from time to time.No different than any other day on ebay.

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For posterity sake here is the jacket mentioned. I am not sure why, but I have noticed the ribbons are blurred in all the pics of theirs. Sold for $442.99

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:25 PM

I find it amazing that people would spend that much money on something that has no detailed photos and parts are blurred out.

Philip

Edited by History Man, 25 February 2012 - 01:36 PM.


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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:36 PM

holly molly, i was watching the abn ajcket and ike, this guy if it is the same guy does alot of online bidding for auctions. mainly one in florida. i'm gald i seen this thread i was serious about the abn ike and jacket. thanks guy

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:37 PM

Has anyone seen the camo M42 they have for sale?

Philip :think:

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Posted 25 February 2012 - 01:44 PM

LOOKS LEGIT BUT after all his ''Reviews'' & feedback i'll not put a cent on it :) another thread was open about another uniform he's selling on ePAY, general officer mess dress FAKED or so, on this forum

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Edited by Jamecharles, 25 February 2012 - 01:45 PM.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:12 AM

the reason for the blured ribbons is too keep the Ebay police from taking down the items due to there rules on valor medals. Note I said THERE rules and those rules suck. I am going to start blacking out parts of ribbons on my photos also from now on.

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Posted 26 February 2012 - 07:16 AM

That was my huntch too so that means all their uniforms have MOH and Service Crosses? Okay then I am definatley not bidding....That Corpsman looks to have a NC on it... :think:

Maybe I will just start blacking out my ribbons for sale and not mention anything about it. That should generate high bids.

Edited by carnut63, 26 February 2012 - 07:18 AM.


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Posted 26 February 2012 - 10:17 AM

The thing that gets me is none of his items are named. Anyway, everthing I'm interested in. I did ask about that Marine uniform and no name, imagine that. If I'm going to spend that kind of money I wanted a name to make sure it was not put together.

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