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#1 manayunkman

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 03:38 PM

Are these military ? I imagine some of them are. I appreciate any help in identifying what it is I have here.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 03:42 PM

Are these military ? I imagine some of them are. I appreciate any help in identifying what it is I have here.



I believe the single chevrons with muliple rockers are unauthorized but commonly worn US prewar insignia for PFCs who were drawing various rates of specialist pay.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 03:43 PM

They are all JUNK, so you should mail them to me. :)

The ones in the second picture are military for sure. Several in the first picture are also military.

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Posted 23 October 2011 - 04:12 PM

The colored ones may be from police departments.

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 02:02 PM

OK so I have Junk from police departments. Anyone else care to hurt my feelings ? :crybaby: :wink2:

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 04:32 PM

OK so I have Junk from police departments. Anyone else care to hurt my feelings ? :crybaby: :wink2:

There are many police/firefighter collectors that may be interested. I have been looking for a 1920s-1930s Philadelphia or Atlantic City Police Uniform. I'm never going to find one though. :lol:

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 05:33 PM

OK so I have Junk from police departments. Anyone else care to hurt my feelings ? :crybaby: :wink2:



AHHH, but I said I would take them off your hands!!! One man's junk is another man's treasure! :D

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 06:01 PM

There are many police/firefighter collectors that may be interested. I have been looking for a 1920s-1930s Philadelphia or Atlantic City Police Uniform. I'm never going to find one though. :lol:


This will blow your mind austin, when I was a kid in the mid 60s to late 60s I had NYC leather Firemen's helmet, My parents had it since who knows when,never really knew any thing about it other than it was just something we had. Me and my sisters would play with it and me especialy, We'd bring out and the street etc you know Kid stuff. I remember it to this day, it eventually got trashed because of all the messing around we did with it and was simply throw in the garbage around 1970 . Now here the kicker it was a 1913 dated hat, it was made at a Brooklyn NY Saddle maker, the company was a one that had a German name as it's proprietor, Friedrich something or other, Schultheiss ? schudie ? can't for the life of me remember the last name there, It was stamped on the sweeat band in big black lettering, it was from company 33 and was on that brass shield typical of this type that I do remember and this hat was big and heavy but we love to wear it and play with it, If only I knew then what I know now :( .

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 06:11 PM

This will blow your mind austin, when I was a kid in the mid 60s to late 60s I had NYC leather Firemen's helmet, My parents had it since who knows when,never really knew any thing about it other than it was just something we had. Me and my sisters would play with it and me especialy, We'd bring out and the street etc you know Kid stuff. I remember it to this day, it eventually got trashed because of all the messing around we did with it and was simply throw in the garbage around 1970 . Now here the kicker it was a 1913 dated hat, it was made at a Brooklyn NY Saddle maker, the company was a one that had a German name as it's proprietor, Friedrich something or other, Schultheiss ? schudie ? can't for the life of me remember the last name there, It was stamped on the sweeat band in big black lettering, it was from company 33 and was on that brass shield typical of this type that I do remember and this hat was big and heavy but we love to wear it and play with it, If only I knew then what I know now :( .

That would have been a gem. I heard about people playing with vintage headgear. My Dad and his friend had a m1 to play army, his friend would get the liner and my dad would get the helmet. My dad said he came home with bruises and cuts all over his head and my grandmother almost passed out. :lol:

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 06:31 PM

That would have been a gem. I heard about people playing with vintage headgear. My Dad and his friend had a m1 to play army, his friend would get the liner and my dad would get the helmet. My dad said he came home with bruises and cuts all over his head and my grandmother almost passed out. :lol:

Indeed, it can get even worse. When I was real little, probably sometime in 1964 me and my two sisters who where also farelly young, got some paint and painted my father's ORIGINAL 1920s and 1930s Rag Time records, Bing Crosby, Bix Beiderbecke, Fats Waller to name a few, one of the few items that escaped destrution was The..e Original recording of the 1936 Olympics from Berlin, bought by one his brothers in 1936-37 at a record store in Manhatten, as you would guess, he blew his freaking lid, I was of course to young to remember just what happened in the fall out, but was one of those family stories that was occasionly talked about forever :w00t:

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 08:48 PM

There are many police/firefighter collectors that may be interested. I have been looking for a 1920s-1930s Philadelphia or Atlantic City Police Uniform. I'm never going to find one though. :lol:



I know someone who has all their fathers 1930's Pa. State Police stuff. He was a Motor Cycle Patrolman. Eventually I will get it to resell.

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Posted 25 October 2011 - 08:49 PM

AHHH, but I said I would take them off your hands!!! One man's junk is another man's treasure! :D


So before I sell this lovely group to you ( at a profit ) what are they ?????

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 11:43 AM

Manayunkman, Do you have a shop in philly?

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Posted 26 October 2011 - 12:27 PM

No I am a private individual. Anything i have sold has gone to old friends who bug me for it.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 04:33 PM

Any help ID these rank insignia ??

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:39 PM

Any help ID these rank insignia ??


Well the tan one with the wing and prop is an WWII AAF Private and the others are the unauthorized pre-WII Specialist chevrons.

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 06:50 PM

I Have found these links helpful. Robert
http://www.usmilitar...showtopic=12181
http://www.angelfire...er/agrade5.html
http://howardlanham....ngchevrons.html

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Posted 11 November 2011 - 08:09 PM

And these,
http://www.usmilitar...showtopic=93017
http://users.skynet....r/chevrons.html
http://military-hist...920Chevrons.pdf

Robert

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 07:40 PM

And these,
http://www.usmilitar...showtopic=93017
http://users.skynet....r/chevrons.html
http://military-hist...920Chevrons.pdf

Robert


Thank you JCF

#20 JCFalkenbergIII

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Posted 14 November 2011 - 09:51 PM

Thank you JCF


Always glad to help. A fellow member,Herbert H. Booker 2nd, here has posted a whole slew of US Army Chevrons here you can look at too,
http://www.archive.o...?query=Chevrons

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Posted 15 November 2011 - 11:46 AM

Always glad to help. A fellow member,Herbert H. Booker 2nd, here has posted a whole slew of US Army Chevrons here you can look at too,
http://www.archive.o...?query=Chevrons

Robert


Thanks again

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Posted 02 September 2014 - 08:01 PM

GREETINGS & SALUTATIONS! 1902 buff chevrons were for the Corporals and Sergeants in the Army Quartermaster Corps, yellow chevrons for Cavalry, red chevrons for Artillery and red chainstiching on denim cloth for the Coast Artillery Corps. Unauthorized but worn Private First Class Specialists wore one to six rockers below a single chevron. Specialist 6 was one rocker and Specialist 1 was six rockers. Prior to the 1950s, grade 1 was Master Sergeants and First Sergeants, with grade 2 being Platoon Sergeants, grade 3 for Staff Sergeants and Techician 3, grade 4 Sergeants and Technician 4, grade 5 for Corporals and Technician 5, grade 6 for Private First Class and grade 7 for Privates. Later Sergeant Major became E-9, Master and First Sergeant became E-8 and down to Privates E-2 and E-1. Respectfully, Herbert Booker of Florida

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Posted 06 September 2014 - 02:57 PM

Mr. Booker; do you know anything more about the Quartermaster chevron in the picture to the right? I've never seen such a thing, and I collect exclusively QM items. Thank you also for the insight on the buff-colored chevrons. I'll keep my eye out for those from now on as I've neglected that previously (had no idea actually!). Thanks for your insights.



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Posted 06 September 2014 - 04:00 PM

Mr. Booker; do you know anything more about the Quartermaster chevron in the picture to the right? I've never seen such a thing, and I collect exclusively QM items. Thank you also for the insight on the buff-colored chevrons. I'll keep my eye out for those from now on as I've neglected that previously (had no idea actually!). Thanks for your insights.

 

It was worn by a PFC who was in a higher pay grade due to having a specialty.  In this case, that of quartermaster.  These PFC chevrons with rockers were worn from 1920 to 1942. The highest 1st Class grade had 6 rockers. The authorized chevrons had no devices.  Examples such as yours (i.e., having a QM device) were unofficial.  Based on the way yours in made, I would estimate it dates from the later end of the time frame they were in use (i.e., around the start of WW2).  



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Posted 06 September 2014 - 04:22 PM

The outlined CAC chevrons (upper right) were worn on the denim fatigues.

 

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