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#26 John Cooper

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 07:52 PM

Could the PH be PIT... just thinking... If you had a list of all the navu pilots that graduated or has sols flights that year and then look at the letters maybe you may find a clue?

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 08:26 PM

This is a list of the names and numbers I have so far. Cliff was kind enough to give me these names, and other help.

Naval Aviator Number/ Name

2510 Philip David Fancher
2787 Paul Foxworthy
2388 Paul J. Frizzell
751 Paul Erhard Froass
250 Philip Bernard Frothingham
131 Percival Strong Fuller

Naval Aviator Number/ Name

2534 Paul C. Albritton
721 Philip Allen, Jr.
1234 Paul Arthur Androus
2618 Paul L. Armstrong
2805 Prentice D. Ash
641 Perry D. Astry

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 10:34 PM

PLT=Platoon?

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 07:21 PM

I would like to thank everyone who helped out on this thread. Although I still have not found the answer, I will continue to look and ask for help. Perhaps someone will help find the origonal owner! :thumbsup:

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 08:04 PM

I would say that is the day he earned those wings.. 1/2/23.


I got to see these wings in person today and I agree with your theory Mike. And I'd say his initials were PH and it was dated Feb. 1923.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 12:39 AM

I got to see these wings in person today and I agree with your theory Mike. And I'd say his initials were PH and it was dated Feb. 1923.


To avoid the possibility of any repetition, please note that last weekend we checked the Appendix of Naval Aviator Numbers found on page 171 of the Willis & Carmichael book United States Navy Wings of Gold... and were not able to find a match for an aviatior with initials PH who graduated from flight school in 1923.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 05:49 AM

Honestly, it looks more like a "33" to me than a "23". You can see how the top of the "2" is poorly curved in the middle number, and how the "3" of the last number is almost straight. Look at the second to last number, and you'll see the same straight lines, with the bottom "slash" being the last line of the "3".

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:32 AM

After looking very closely at this once again, I think the scratch has obsecured a number "7" - not a "1" which would maker this #788. Have drawn a line grey line thru the scratch in this pic...

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:34 AM

Here is the same pic (copy) with grey line pulled thru the "7". The sratch is atop the seven. Have some zerox pages of Contact and 788 is not "P.H."

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 09:51 AM

I think these are a wonderful pair of wings, but unfortunately what is engraved on them will always be open to speculation and no definitive, concrete, absolute, attribution I feel can ever be made. That being said, I would gladly have a pair like these in my collection.

Kurt

Edited by KASTAUFFER, 01 September 2011 - 09:51 AM.


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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:07 AM

I think these are a wonderful pair of wings, but unfortunately what is engraved on them will always be open to speculation and no definitive, concrete, absolute, attribution I feel can ever be made. That being said, I would gladly have a pair like these in my collection.

Kurt

May I second that?

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:53 AM

OH, my friend.......there is some logic in your guesses.
Unfortunitly, this wing is from WWI !!



A naval aviator trained in the 20s could have still flown in WW2, and likely would have kept his first set of wings. I was doing some reading lately and was amazed at the age of some aviators in WW2.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:55 AM

Maybe do a negative in photoshop or similar program and see what you get.

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 01:03 PM

I am very happy to have come by these wings, and they are definitely a fine addition to my WWI wings.

Kurt has said it last, and probably best....."unfortunately what is engraved on them will always be open to speculation and no definitive, concrete, absolute, attribution I feel can ever be made. That being said, I would gladly have a pair like these in my collection".

More then having the wings, is the appreciation for the GREAT SUPPORT and HELP all of you have offered in trying to solve the unsolvable.

My deep thanks to all !

R

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 09:03 PM

New Information......

I got a lead from the shop owner in Nebraska, and with the help of Cliff P. we found the wing owner!

"I finally got a follow-up response to my inquiry on the "B.B. & B" wing ~ states it came from the estate of H.C. Hammond from Grinnell, Iowa."

Cliff's reply......
Harold Child Hammond,
Naval Aviator #1694
Navy Serial 47218

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Posted 21 September 2011 - 09:28 PM

.......I suspect you are better off going through all the aviators whose initials are "PH".

Patrick.........PH it is!!
See my new post below.

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Posted 22 September 2011 - 09:58 PM

Just read this thread for the first time....fascinating!! A mystery inside an enigma. You guys have impressed me with your thinking "outside the box" in order to ID the original recipient of this wing. JS have you ever considered a career with the FBI? Keep us up to speed.

Ian :thumbsup:

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Posted 23 September 2011 - 05:08 AM

Thanks Ian,
I just added the guy's name, so I'm hoping the guys will me with the number mystery.
Maybe it will make more sense now. ( To somebody) :unsure:

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 06:42 PM

Just catching up - so glad to see the ID and the fact that several members assisted. Great team work all - keep it up!

Cheers
John

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Posted 25 September 2011 - 07:39 PM

.......... Great team work all - keep it up!
Cheers
John

John,
I'm working on getting some sort of paperwork from the shopkeeper to authenticate the wing.


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