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#1 Ricky Raider

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Posted 06 June 2011 - 11:26 PM

Help needed on this one. Okay this looks like a cut down 1stSGT chevron, but the diamond doesn't fit like it. Can somebody tell me what I have, and what period it's from? Thanks!

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Edited by Ricky Raider, 06 June 2011 - 11:26 PM.


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Posted 07 June 2011 - 08:13 AM

Seller said: It has wide loose embroidered stripes on a red wool/felt backing and measures 5-3/4" tall x 4-1/4" wide. Each strip measures about 3/4" wide.

Looks right for the pre WW1 era...

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#3 Ricky Raider

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 11:17 AM

Looks like I might've lucked out on this one. I thought I had post WW1. Thanks a lot! Seems like a good start to the collection! Now I'm just looking for P1912 Dress Blues and EGA's.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 12:22 PM

Weren't the USMC dress blue chevrons prior to 1922, the large seam-to-seam types? So being pre WW1 wouldn't seem to make sense for a dress blue chevron. I'd say this one dates from the early 20's to whenever rockers were introduced. And possibly it's theater-made. Asian, perhaps?
Nice chevron!
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#5 Ricky Raider

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 01:31 PM

Ok now I would like to know if its a 1stSGT chevron, what period its from, and if its theater made.

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Posted 07 June 2011 - 02:41 PM

indeed a 1stSgt...not a cloth guy, but I don't think it's theater made. a Nice chevron, however

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 03:04 AM

Weren't the USMC dress blue chevrons prior to 1922, the large seam-to-seam types? So being pre WW1 wouldn't seem to make sense for a dress blue chevron. I'd say this one dates from the early 20's to whenever rockers were introduced.


Agreed. 1stSgt and GySgt got two rockers in 1929, so roughly1922-'29. The few USMC dress chevrons I've seen from around that period were applied yellow lace; embroidery points to theater-made to me but I'm not expert. A nice example from the inter-war period!

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Posted 08 June 2011 - 03:59 AM

indeed a 1stSgt...not a cloth guy, but I don't think it's theater made. a Nice chevron, however

Why not? Based on all other examples of U.S.-made insignia of the period I have seen, the construction is not typical of being U.S.-made. Looks like it could be hand embroidered. U.S.-made embroidered insignia is usually very “tight” and of much higher machine-made quality. U.S. chevrons of the first few decades of the 20th century were typically applied material (felt, twill, or other material), not embroidered.
A reverse photo might provide additional clues.
I really like this chevron. It was a great find. I think the price was rather low because it didn’t conform to the construction of typical USMC chevrons of the period (and collectors just didn’t know what to make of it).
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Posted 08 June 2011 - 09:28 PM

Alright guys this is what I will catalog. 1stSGT somewhere between pre WW1-20s theatre made. Sound fair?

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Posted 01 July 2011 - 01:46 PM

not necessarily theater made...England was a large producer of USMC insignia in the 20s and 30s during peace-time, so I'd label it as foreign made, though I'm not personally convinced it was made abroad myself


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