"Holy Grail" of aircraft found of San Diego
Posted 27 May 2011 - 09:07 PM
Posted 28 May 2011 - 05:06 AM
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 09:14 AM
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Posted 28 May 2011 - 11:17 AM
i really hope they raise both of them. it would be a great plane as there are sadly none known to exist other than a few. i don think the Navy is going to be a hassel as they are raising it for the museum :thumbsup:
Yes, they will I've seen it happen. It doesn't matter to the Navy, to them that Plane is still their property. Regardless if it crashed last week or sixty years ago.
Posted 28 May 2011 - 12:13 PM
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Posted 31 May 2011 - 08:05 AM
Posted 31 May 2011 - 03:51 PM
where is the Corsair? :think: i think the Navy wont be a problem in the raising of the TBD off the coast of San Diego since it is going to the Navy Aerospace Museum in San Diego. the reason the man in Florida has had such a problem is because he was going to either raise it and then sell it to the governent or sell the coordinates to the government. i believe he raised the canopy but it broke. i just cant wait to visit the museum to see it. :thumbsup:
The one off of Florida was found and was going to be raised and restored by a well known aircraft owner/restorer. I actually talked to him about it in 1997, shortly after I left the National Warplane Museum. When he inquired whether the airplane had been written off, the Navy demanded to know everything about the wreck and then told him that if he raised it they would seize it. He had a significant amount of time and money invested into the project and offered to give the coordinates to the Navy if they were willing to pay his expenses. It was known that the airplane was not a gravesite and there was no legal claim that the Navy could have made on the airplane other than "well we want it".
The real travesty here is that the airplane could have been raised and restored by now. The salvor was willing to do the restoration and trade it to the National Museum of Naval Aviation for one of the several F6Fs, F4Fs or F4Us they have in storage. Instead, it now has 15 years of additional corrosion and deterioration to contend with.
And no, I'm not saying where the Corsair is. Someday, maybe, I'll actually be able to get it without fear of the Navy taking it.
One can dream, right?
Edited by Cobrahistorian, 31 May 2011 - 03:53 PM.
Posted 31 May 2011 - 04:01 PM
Edited by KASTAUFFER, 31 May 2011 - 04:03 PM.
Posted 31 May 2011 - 05:45 PM
What is a shame is I am sure some salvors have probably found Navy aircraft and stripped the parts off and sold them piece-meal to other restorers as "parts" not connected with an "airframe" that can be traced.
I wouldn't doubt it. So much for preserving history. It really is a shame.
Posted 31 May 2011 - 06:01 PM
Posted 31 May 2011 - 07:43 PM
there was a man who found an aircraft that had ditched/crashed in a nearby lake and he was able to raise it before the Navy found out. when i was asking where the Corsair was i was wondering if it was in water or land? there are so many aircraft that have yet to be raised or restored. there is an F7F Tigercat (night fighter variant) that is sitting in the boneyard of the Chino Air Museum. it is full of cob webs and is still being left out of the museum to rot :crying: there are dozens of tanks, aircraft, and vehicles just lying out there like trash while the museum is trying to restore a B17 which is in a great place right now in the shade near a hangar where it is being put in flying condition. i think that instead of restoring flying condition for some of the more common aircraft they should try and restore the ones that are rotting and that are rare. I would post pics of the boneyard but it would make those aircraft lovers cry :crying: that is why private aircraft collectors should have a chance to restore these warbirds as it seems museums dont give a hoot :pinch:
Ah, ok, sorry. It's underwater. Fresh water though.
It isn't that museums don't give a hoot, far from it. The problem always boils down to money. While those of us who are aviation enthusiasts would love to see an F7F-3N flying again, restoring a B-17 to flyable condition is a revenue generator for the museum. You can sell rides, publicize the museum and get the word out about what you've got. Once the money starts coming in, you can then prioritize projects like the Tigercat that you really want to do, but can't afford. Right now the R2800 engines that power the Tigercat run in the $80,000 to $100,000 range for a fully functional overhauled engine. The Tigercat's got two of them. R1820s that power the B-17 are smaller engines (in power output and number of cylinders) and are less expensive (granted there are 4 of them!). The fact that Chino has a Tigercat is a VERY good thing. They WILL restore it, and they know what a significant airplane it is. They're probably feeling very similarly to how we do about it sitting outside and once they can fund it, they will.
Posted 31 May 2011 - 08:14 PM
Posted 01 June 2011 - 08:02 AM
To get back on topic, I would love to finally see a TBM Devastator restored and on display to honor those men who flew them.
Edited by KVSkelton, 01 June 2011 - 08:07 AM.
Posted 01 June 2011 - 09:49 AM
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Posted 01 June 2011 - 12:39 PM
then whats wrong with the Navy? why do they feel it necessary to control every plane all over the world? :think:
And there's the rub. That's why they've been taken to court and lost, but they keep appealing the decisions.
Posted 02 June 2011 - 04:43 PM
Posted 04 June 2011 - 07:18 AM
I hope the salvagers can one day get a good legal counsil that can get the rules/regs changed into thier favor, there's no sense in these historic and very rare aircraft having to be left underwater after all the time they have , as mentioned one or more could by now already be finished and in a proper display in a museum!!!!
Posted 04 June 2011 - 09:01 AM
PS: i hope you raise that Corsair Jon :thumbsup:
Posted 05 June 2011 - 07:06 AM
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