Delta got Bin Laden

[SEAL76]

THIS! Had I seen this before I posted I just would have quoted this.

SEALs and DEVGRU had and are still working the area around the AFPAK border more than most of the other specops units. DEVGRU has AFCCT, EOD and others who operate with them. While DELTA is interchangeable with DEVGRU at times it is obvious that SOCOM/JSOC picked the right men for the job. DEVGRU SEALs are as good as DELTA/CAG in every aspect of hostage rescue and taking down high value targets.We SEALs started taking out HVTs back in Vietnam and made it an art form. SEALs and DEVGRU are also all combat swimmers, SDV and submarine lock in/lock out qualified. That gives us an edge. As for land navigation and CQB we are as well trained and skilled as SF, DELTA, RECON and MARSOC.

[z19]

The SEALs are quite capable of what they are being credited for. Personally, I think way too much information was given to the press already and these types of missions should remain under a veil of mystery. Any speculation about who was or wasn't there is just that - speculation. Personally, I don't want to know. The only thing that matters is that the beast is dead. As for any books, I would not expect anything of the sort any time soon. these men are "silent professionals" by their own description. Not only are they not at liberty to write about the specifics of the operation, but further, I can't imagine the guy who pulled the trigger EVER wanting to be recognized publicly in any way for obvious reasons.

 

 

I agree as well. Once you get to a level of where these opertors are it's hard to spit between the difference. Seal Team - Delta- both All-American heroes and worthy of whatever accolades we bestow upon them. The best part is, these guys do it beause they love it and don't give a rats furry azz about the atta-boys they get back home. My 2 1/2 cents worth, Alex

[439th Signal Battalion]

Before I comment on this thread about what went down on the Bin Laden raid, I would first of all like to say that I am completely unqualified to do so and I will not offer any personal comments in that regard.

 

However, I have been reading a few of the articles that are beginning to appear about the upcoming book, No Easy Day, which was written by one of the SEAL participants in the raid (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/30/pentagon-to-consider-legal-action-against-ex-seal-author-bin-laden-raid-book/?test=latestnews) and I am very interested in the reaction that the book is receiving from the Obama administration and brass even before it is out for public purchase.

 

Is this book receiving so much negative press from this administration because it did in fact break the contract on not divulging sensative information or is this book receiving negative press because it almost completely contradicts (at least in the early reports) everthing that this administration "officially" stated about the raid just hours after it occured (which was criticized because it also divulged sensitive information?).

 

I can't help but think about the damaging leaks that are already being attritubed to this administration and after some SEAL's were court-martialed a few years ago for alledgedly "roughing up" enemy personnel, what special operations operative will want to take a prisoner now after that insult?

[rr01]

Before I comment on this thread about what went down on the Bin Laden raid, I would first of all like to say that I am completely unqualified to do so and I will not offer any personal comments in that regard.

 

However, I have been reading a few of the articles that are beginning to appear about the upcoming book, No Easy Day, which was written by one of the SEAL participants in the raid (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/30/pentagon-to-consider-legal-action-against-ex-seal-author-bin-laden-raid-book/?test=latestnews) and I am very interested in the reaction that the book is receiving from the Obama administration and brass even before it is out for public purchase.

 

Is this book receiving so much negative press from this administration because it did in fact break the contract on not divulging sensative information or is this book receiving negative press because it almost completely contradicts (at least in the early reports) everthing that this administration "officially" stated about the raid just hours after it occured (which was criticized because it also divulged sensitive information?).

 

I can't help but think about the damaging leaks that are already being attritubed to this administration and after some SEAL's were court-martialed a few years ago for alledgedly "roughing up" enemy personnel, what special operations operative will want to take a prisoner now after that insult?

I think the only important issue here is that he signed a non~disclsure statement which now puts such actions at risk. I think this book puts a lot of future trusts at risk because there is now so much jointness in combat and covert operations. The guy in charge needs to be confident tactics developed and used for a particular op are not subsequently publicized, no matter who does it. We in the military, retired or active have an obligation to our oaths and I cannot accept the rationalization that because an elected official made an announcement about this operation that everyone else can. An oath is an oath and that is more important to me than what someone else might have done.

[manayunkman]

Gee, I thought it was the Dos Equis guy....

 

I don't often kill Bin Laden but when I do...I bring a bunch of black ops guys with me.

[Jack's Son]

Obama talks about Osama, I can't believe a word he has or will say!

[Longhorn1939]

Kilroy killed him. Good info !

[Cpt.Mathis]

This is proably like a reversed Grenada and Black Hawk DOwn. This time SEALs are in the spotlight and 1SFOD-D (Delta) is in a phase of frippertonics that will eventually clear up. And ,still all respect to SEALs, but SEALs aren't as good with explosives as they say they are. They say they are the best in the world Delta is second, because they lose fingers, they forget that they lose entire SEALs.

[Jack's Son]

I care who got him....it really does matter. The best part of it is that he is PAST TENSE!!

[Brig]

This is proably like a reversed Grenada and Black Hawk DOwn. This time SEALs are in the spotlight and 1SFOD-D (Delta) is in a phase of frippertonics that will eventually clear up. And ,still all respect to SEALs, but SEALs aren't as good with explosives as they say they are. They say they are the best in the world Delta is second, because they lose fingers, they forget that they lose entire SEALs.

 

Delta loses operators, we just don't hear about it. They're not supermen

 

Let's remember that Delta is a joint force that recruits from all branches...I'm sure former SEALs are in the ranks

[tw5270]

 

Delta loses operators, we just don't hear about it. They're not supermen

 

Let's remember that Delta is a joint force that recruits from all branches...I'm sure former SEALs are in the ranks

 

I am curious why you keep saying that. SFOD-1 is all Army. There are open invitations to apply in Paraglide and for Active duty Army in their AKO box all the time.

Unless something has changed a lot in the last decade this is an all Army unit.

 

...and you are right they are not supermen and do lose soldiers like all other units.

 

Now can someone please stop all of the SEALs from writting more books.

 

Remeber- QUIET professionals

[Brig]

I've heard they reach out to other services now from some other people I know in the SF community (granted, not Army). Might have changed.

[tw5270]

I've heard they reach out to other services now from some other people I know in the SF community (granted, not Army). Might have changed.

 

Maybe they do now. When I was Army (1990's) they did not.

 

By the way my "cherry blast" was over the airstrip at Camp Geiger. We all aimed for the grass in the middle.

[Brig]

Do you mean the Airstrip on New River? If there was one on Geiger, it's gone now. The two bases are connected

[rr01]

You're right, it is pretty much an all Army unit but SF in general has always had their own advisors from the other services to help with new tactics. One which comes to my mind was back in the late '70s, before Delta when the Ft. Bragg SF SCUBA team showed up at an exercise with their own SEAL E~9 to help them with their submarine ops. I believe all these groups bring in such subject matter specialists to adapt tactics or to train with them for a specific operation such as the Air Force linguists who went on Eagle Claw as native speakers to help with "crowd control". Thankfully, joint integration has continued to improve.

[tw5270]

You're right, it is pretty much an all Army unit but SF in general has always had their own advisors from the other services to help with new tactics. One which comes to my mind was back in the late '70s, before Delta when the Ft. Bragg SF SCUBA team showed up at an exercise with their own SEAL E~9 to help them with their submarine ops. I believe all these groups bring in such subject matter specialists to adapt tactics or to train with them for a specific operation such as the Air Force linguists who went on Eagle Claw as native speakers to help with "crowd control". Thankfully, joint integration has continued to improve.

 

In the early 90's I was working at the Ft. Bragg 3rd SFG DLSMF (SCUBA Locker) I had to attend the Navy 3M course (paperwork for maintaining dive lockers) The NAVY was our "proponent" so the Locker had to meet all NAVY Dive Locker standards and we were inspected by the NAVY every quarter. At that time all the groups had multiple dive teams so we were very busy with martime ops.

[tw5270]

Do you mean the Airstrip on New River? If there was one on Geiger, it's gone now. The two bases are connected

 

Maybe, I am not sure. I remember we stayed at some barraks on Geiger and eventually did a jump with some Force Recon guys over an airstrip. There was a strip club called Toby's I think right outside the gate.

I also remember we ate at the chow hall once and the Cadre line (non Trainees) had great food.

It was 1991 so my memory might be a little ..."dusty"

 

Back on topic.

 

The SEALs got him.

[Brig]

 

Maybe, I am not sure. I remember we stayed at some barraks on Geiger and eventually did a jump with some Force Recon guys over an airstrip. There was a strip club called Toby's I think right outside the gate.

I also remember we ate at the chow hall once and the Cadre line (non Trainees) had great food.

It was 1991 so my memory might be a little ..."dusty"

 

Back on topic.

 

The SEALs got him.

 

Toby's...AHAHAHAHAHAHA...still here, and they do lunch! What a cess pool

[tw5270]

 

Toby's...AHAHAHAHAHAHA...still here, and they do lunch! What a cess pool

 

There was a topless bar outside Bragg (before they cleaned it up) called Always Mardi Gras that had a $5 steak, Baked potato, salad, and Tea luch special. (and entertainment )

I HEAR that it was a good deal.

[Cpt.Mathis]

1SSFOD-D was not called out because (insert drum-roll here) it is BELOW their operating level. The Bin Laden operation was perfect for SEAL team 6, but below 1SSFOD-D.

[Brig]

Oh, God, I was hoping this one died

[tw5270]

Oh, God, I was hoping this one died

 

People will always argue about who is better.