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#326 firefighter

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Posted 28 April 2019 - 06:31 PM

The Blue stuff albeit with support branch discs were wore by those branches in an Infantry Battle Group, the Headquaters Companies, at least within the 4th Infantry Division at Ft Carson Colorado in 1963 in the PENTOMIC era. Not sure if was standard Army wide, would have to look at more different unit yearbooks to tell.


Interesting. I joined the 2nd/108th in ‘87

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Posted 29 April 2019 - 04:06 AM

I wonder if he knew Forrest Gump?

 

 

Here's an interesting one. A Vietnam War combat medic of the 2nd Battalion 47th Infantry wearing his Combat Medical Badge and Medical Corps branch insignia with Infantry blue shoulder cord and branch discs. Note he is not wearing a 9th Infantry Division SSI or Infantry blue disc behind his cap device.

 



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Posted 07 May 2019 - 11:22 AM

Infantry Blue shoulder cord worn by an Air Defense Artillery officer assigned to the 1st Battalion 15th Infantry around 1974. Interestingly, the Center for Military History shows the battalion is not only entitled to the Presidential Unit Citation with oak leaf cluster, but also the Navy Presidential Unit Citation, Navy Unit Commendation and Korean Presidential Unit Citation   

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Posted 07 May 2019 - 05:20 PM

Infantry Blue shoulder cord worn by an Air Defense Artillery officer assigned to the 1st Battalion 15th Infantry around 1974. Interestingly, the Center for Military History shows the battalion is not only entitled to the Presidential Unit Citation with oak leaf cluster, but also the Navy Presidential Unit Citation, Navy Unit Commendation and Korean Presidential Unit Citation   

Bet he was the battalion's CSC Redeye Platoon Leader, still wouldn't think he would be wearing the Blue Rope, unless it was a unit prescribed thing however brief, like these guys in the two units I was in 80-82 did not wear the Blue Stuff, this being the CSC of the 2/12 Cav and E Co 4/9 Inf.



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Posted 08 May 2019 - 04:43 AM

Bet he was the battalion's CSC Redeye Platoon Leader, still wouldn't think he would be wearing the Blue Rope, unless it was a unit prescribed thing however brief, like these guys in the two units I was in 80-82 did not wear the Blue Stuff, this being the CSC of the 2/12 Cav and E Co 4/9 Inf.

I'm pretty sure all of the regulations regarding the wear of distinctive Infantry insignia (shoulder cord, disc backings and bibs) have always prescribed that they were to be worn exclusively by members of the Infantry branch, not simply to anyone assigned to an infantry unit, regardless of branch. 



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Posted 08 May 2019 - 07:31 AM

I'm pretty sure all of the regulations regarding the wear of distinctive Infantry insignia (shoulder cord, disc backings and bibs) have always prescribed that they were to be worn exclusively by members of the Infantry branch, not simply to anyone assigned to an infantry unit, regardless of branch. 

Well it was done at a certain point the PENTOMIC Era at least within the 4th Inf Div in 1963, even W/Os wearing the Blue Rope in the various Infantry HQs. So why this O of the ADA is wearing the rope? only two gueeses, a unit thing however brief, or he just put one on just for this portait.



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Posted 14 May 2019 - 11:30 AM

Signal Corps shoulder cord and bib

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 06:35 PM

This is a meme. But it shows Member a of the 2nd M.P. Co/2nd INF DIV wearing cords.Posted Image

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Posted 15 May 2019 - 06:59 PM

This is a meme. But it shows Member a of the 2nd M.P. Co/2nd INF DIV wearing cords.52ed7a46405c862a4b19779665bdd114.jpg

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Yeah this was posted before in I think one of the Brassard topics, but without the captions :lol:



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Posted 19 May 2019 - 03:07 PM

Infantry cord and discs worn by a Sergeant Major assigned to the Sergeants Major Academy. I'm not sure this is technically authorized since I don't believe the SMA is an infantry unit. 

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Posted 19 May 2019 - 05:24 PM

You know Sean (Not counting any 60s or 70s examples) we're just seeing so many photos/portraits of contemporary NCOs and Officers who presumably hold an Infantry 11 Series MOS assigned to non infantry TOE units wearing the Blue Stuff, that the only thing I can take from this is that the conclusion, that the criterias have changed for the wear of Infantry Blue Distinctives, that as long as the 11 Series MOS is their Primary, they can wear the Blue when assigned to a non infantry unit.

 

Take this Infantry Sergeant Major at the Sergeant Major's Academy, he may in fact be a student, I have the third graduation yearbook for this course, the portraits of the student have them wearing the new SMA Shoulder patch, the DIs of the organization, just like the one you posted, BUT, they all wear the Branch Unassigned discs, no branch discs of their MOS, Infantry, Field Artillery, Armor etc etc, and certainly no Blue Stuff if they are Infantry, and apparently while this 1974 course was in progress a lot of the students, are promoted from E-8 to E-9, as their is a photo section in this yearbook of  the promotion ceremonies, here they're all have the Sergeant Major chevrons pinned on rather then Command Sergeant Major ones so I'm imagining this is the case today with the SGM you posted, as he's apparently I believe still attending the course and just got promoted but is wearing the Blue, then there must of been a change in the REGS somewhere down the line recently.

 

Whether there's an AR on this, a  heretofore undiscovered one I don't know.

 

Of course one good way to find out would be ask these men in the photos, hey why are you wearing the Blue, are allowed or are you just doing it with out authorization:lol: 



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Posted 20 May 2019 - 04:38 AM

You know Sean (Not counting any 60s or 70s examples) we're just seeing so many photos/portraits of contemporary NCOs and Officers who presumably hold an Infantry 11 Series MOS assigned to non infantry TOE units wearing the Blue Stuff, that the only thing I can take from this is that the conclusion, that the criterias have changed for the wear of Infantry Blue Distinctives, that as long as the 11 Series MOS is their Primary, they can wear the Blue when assigned to a non infantry unit.

 

Take this Infantry Sergeant Major at the Sergeant Major's Academy, he may in fact be a student, I have the third graduation yearbook for this course, the portraits of the student have them wearing the new SMA Shoulder patch, the DIs of the organization, just like the one you posted, BUT, they all wear the Branch Unassigned discs, no branch discs of their MOS, Infantry, Field Artillery, Armor etc etc, and certainly no Blue Stuff if they are Infantry, and apparently while this 1974 course was in progress a lot of the students, are promoted from E-8 to E-9, as their is a photo section in this yearbook of  the promotion ceremonies, here they're all have the Sergeant Major chevrons pinned on rather then Command Sergeant Major ones so I'm imagining this is the case today with the SGM you posted, as he's apparently I believe still attending the course and just got promoted but is wearing the Blue, then there must of been a change in the REGS somewhere down the line recently.

 

Whether there's an AR on this, a  heretofore undiscovered one I don't know.

 

Of course one good way to find out would be ask these men in the photos, hey why are you wearing the Blue, are allowed or are you just doing it with out authorization:lol: 

Attached is, as far as I can tell, the most current regulations regarding the wear of Infantry devices. My reading of the regulations don't show an exception for students or faculty of the Sergeants Major Academy. It is authorized for wear by Army recruiters, ROTC instructors and faculty and staff of the U.S. Military Academy so long as they have an Infantry primary MOS.

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 05:40 AM

Are those 2d Inf Div MPs wearing shoulder cords or custom, fancy, non-issue pistol lanyards?

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Posted 20 May 2019 - 08:08 AM

Attached is, as far as I can tell, the most current regulations regarding the wear of Infantry devices. My reading of the regulations don't show an exception for students or faculty of the Sergeants Major Academy. It is authorized for wear by Army recruiters, ROTC instructors and faculty and staff of the U.S. Military Academy so long as they have an Infantry primary MOS.

See that is quite a change, take the Recruiters, I was a Recruiter Aide after Basic and AIT, April-May 1980, the Station commander was a 11Bravo 25th Inf Div Vietnam Vet E-7, he was still Infantry, but he wore the Branch Unassigned with no Blue, in fact no one wore their branch discs.   

 

Lets see, the other recruiting sergeants I remember were two more Vietnam Vets, one a E-6 Air Traffic Controller who was in the I suppose the HHT of the 1st Squadron 9th Cavalry, 1st Cavalry Division, 1969-70, I gather he wore the Transportation Corps discs prior to becoming a recruiter, another was a E-6 11Bravo 173rd Airborne Brigade vet, 1966-67, I talked about him a ways back, he apparently came from the 82nd before going to the recruiters school or whatever, he wore no Blue stuff, but would wear his garrison cap with the Paragilder patch, probably Oked by the station commander to promote the Go Airborne theme, the other one was a second enlistment E-5 MP, I think he came in to the Army sometime in 1975, he first was in West Germany then the Cav at Hood, again no MP disc, one more though, this one was an E-6 too,, he was the station's Reserve Recruiter, one of those full time Reservists, he interestingly wore the Adjutant Generals Branch disc for whatever reason.



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Posted 01 July 2019 - 06:52 AM

Infantry shoulder cord and discs worn by an NCO assigned to the European Command. I can't make out his DUI. I'm also not sure what the badge on the left pocket is. I assume it is NATO.

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Posted 03 July 2019 - 11:22 AM

NCO's of the 1st Battalion 162nd Infantry 41st Infantry Brigade wearing infantry blue shoulder cords and discs. Note the sergeant on the left has the Airborne patch on his overseas cap. Also note the corporal on the right. Early 1990's. 

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