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#26 nkomo

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Posted 19 April 2011 - 09:43 PM

Arch,
Can you take a better picture of the label, it's too fuzzy to really read.

I will do that later today. :thumbsup:

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 03:26 AM

I would be interested in reading that, the development of equipment and tactics over the years is interesting. You can see here ideas being discussed that took nearly 30 years to become standard issue. Would be good to approach this in a rapid prototyping way, not unlike software development. Speed the development process up and get more real user input. We call it user centred design (UCD) in my business.


here it is.
http://www.mediafire...be/smalarms.pdf

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 09:05 AM

here it is.
http://www.mediafire...be/smalarms.pdf


that's an interesting document, pretty much everyone wanting the AR15/M16 for the missions that are undertaking. I have often read about the mythology of the M14 and the Marines love of it, this paints a different picture. Good rifle but not the one for the job they were being asked to do.

There must be documents like this for all aspects of issue kit, helmets, camo, equipment. Anyone know of a source?

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#29 Momil

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 02:16 PM

USMC ERDL BODY ARMOR. This thread made me want to post some pics of this vest as well and see if anyone here can shed some light. It is the only one I have seen like this and I have not found any info. Owen played with it a couple of weeks ago and drew a blank as well. The vest is essentially a USMC version of the Army's Vietnam Era Variable Body Armor. It actually uses the same front plate. The set has grommets and sewn sleeves around the bottom so you can hang gear with either M1910 hooks or M-56 / Alice clips. There are also rope ridges on the shoulders. The back has a small pouch that is either a plate carrier (though I have not seen a plate that would fit, and the tag says front plate) or a small day pack type area. The material is a coarse nylon in ERDL print and it is 1971 dated. Teh tag reads: Body Armor Fragmentation Small Arms Protective Vest with Front Plate (Marine Corps)

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Posted 20 April 2011 - 09:31 PM

wow another one, any more ERDL body armour come out to play???

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 03:27 AM

i think craig once posted scans from a usmc magazine showing the then new 1967 usmc pack system.if i recall correctly the picture of a marine ditching the m67 pack is wearing a camouflage body armor that could be the one Momil just posted.

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 04:11 AM

it seems i remember quite correctly. it is the post, by Keystone.
http://www.usmilitar...d...st&p=175260

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 11:12 AM

Arch, I finally got back to my main computer where all my info is stored. I think this is the finished version of the vest you show. It was released as standard B in 1978. It is not the same as the PABST vest.

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Posted 22 April 2011 - 05:54 AM

Thanks for the link. The info from Keystone is great and puts it into perspective. Really cool to see it being worn and to see what gear it was paired with. Thanks again.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 08:42 AM

Very interesting vests. After reading these posts, I had to pull out my PASGT vests to make sure they were PASGT. They are. Still now when I see a PASGT, I'll have to take a closer look at it.

Thanks for posting everyone.

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Posted 24 April 2011 - 10:41 AM

I thought it was interesting that the wearing instructions said to wear it over the shirt but under the field jacket.


Now that you mention it, I looked back at all my Army vests from the 1952A through the PASGT and they all say on the label to wear under the field jacket. Even in the booklets that come with them they say the same. However, I don't think I've ever seen anyone ever wear them like that. We always just wore it over the jackets as as the outermost item under our LCE/LBV.

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Posted 24 May 2011 - 11:41 AM

Nkomo found the "standard B" body armor...here's not the early model, "standard A" ;

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:39 PM

Still now when I see a PASGT, I'll have to take a closer look at it.

A wise piece of advice for everyone. Always look through everything. Found this in a pile of PASGT vests at a local army surplus store today. I use the term "surplus store" loosely as their inventory is maybe .01% genuine surplus. It is the same type of vest posted by Momil, but this is the "Type I" as opposed to his "Type II".

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:40 PM

Front pocket (which is secured by hook-and-loop fastener tape) with DO NOT DROP stamped on it.

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Upper left shoulder with raised "lip", which is allegedly to prevent a rifle butt from slipping of the shoulder. This part of the shoulder (the green fabric) is backed by hook-and-loop fastener tape. It does not appear that this can be used for adjustment purposes. It, combined with the web with snap fasteners at the top, appear to be some type of quick-release device.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:40 PM

The vest with individual equipment items attached. Below the upper shoulders is sewn a piece of heavy webbing (on both sides). It is tunneled to accept items with dual belt-strap keepers. These could also be considered "grenade loops" as those, along with items like a flashlight, can also be attached.

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Along with bottom of the entire vest is sewn heavy webbing that has tunneled portions placed throughout it. Items like small arms ammunition cases, water canteen covers, first aid kit cases, etc. can be attached. On either side, at the bottom of the webbing, are eyelets to attach items like the bayonet-knife scabbard.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:40 PM

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:41 PM

The rear pocuh which is secured by hook-and-pile fastener tape.

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The possible quick-release device.

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The side adjustment panels. They have hook-and-pile fastener tape for securing closed. The vest can be adjusted by the elastic cord (like other vests of the time period).

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:41 PM

Side adjustment on opposite side.

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Front and rear of the vest, laid flat.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:41 PM

Full size image of the instruction/contract label.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:41 PM

Close ups of the top and middle portion of the label.

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Posted 03 October 2011 - 06:42 PM

Close up of the nomenclature and contract information (1971) on the label. The label indicates this vest is the Type I, whereas the vest Momil posted is labeled as Type II.

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The image from the June 1971 issue of Leatherneck (originally posted by Keystone in the thread referenced by taucco) which shows the trial vest:

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Posted 14 January 2014 - 03:47 PM

Hello, I am very sorry to bump this old thread but i have no other way of contacting the OP! I have the exact same armor vest as you and i have been wondering for years just what it is. I knew it was PASGT, but i couldnt figure out just what pattern of camo was on it. I knew it wasn't US woodland, as it had no tan in the pattern. Then I went on to see if it was some old Canadian camo pattern. The reason I wondered if it was an old Canadian pattern is because I live in B.C. Canada and this vest (along with a full matching uniform and an M1 helmet with matching cover) came from the local military base that my dad teaches at. After finding nothing online or around the base that matched up to anything Canada fielded I came to the conclusion it wasn't anything we used. Then i finally remembered where i had seen this camo pattern before, and realised that it's ERDL. My vest matches yours almost exactly, and its the the only other one online i have ever seen. It's great that i found out what it is and the history behind it thanks to you guys. What a fascinating piece of kit i stumbled across, and to think i had originally assumed it was just an uncommon woodland pattern PASGT vest, but i guess not lol. I'll post a few pictures on here of mine later on. Thanks guys.



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 12:00 AM

Hello, I am very sorry to bump this old thread but i have no other way of contacting the OP! I have the exact same armor vest as you and i have been wondering for years just what it is. I knew it was PASGT, but i couldnt figure out just what pattern of camo was on it. I knew it wasn't US woodland, as it had no tan in the pattern. Then I went on to see if it was some old Canadian camo pattern. The reason I wondered if it was an old Canadian pattern is because I live in B.C. Canada and this vest (along with a full matching uniform and an M1 helmet with matching cover) came from the local military base that my dad teaches at. After finding nothing online or around the base that matched up to anything Canada fielded I came to the conclusion it wasn't anything we used. Then i finally remembered where i had seen this camo pattern before, and realised that it's ERDL. My vest matches yours almost exactly, and its the the only other one online i have ever seen. It's great that i found out what it is and the history behind it thanks to you guys. What a fascinating piece of kit i stumbled across, and to think i had originally assumed it was just an uncommon woodland pattern PASGT vest, but i guess not lol. I'll post a few pictures on here of mine later on. Thanks guys.

  No worries about commenting on an old post.  I would love see your vest.



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Posted 02 March 2014 - 03:43 PM

Does anyone know where to find a M1967 flak vest in SD or at least a repro? :huh:



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Posted 01 February 2015 - 06:33 PM

I just found this thread.

 

 

Amazing stuff Boys.

 

Arch your vest is really RARe

 

Can I use it for my cammo book ?

 

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