M1937 Officer's Emblems Manufactured By Them
Posted 02 October 2007 - 07:32 PM
No. 1 is marked "sterling over the H-H logo with the "H's outside the bird, on the reverse left eagle wing. It features a dished out reverse with a square rope retainer on the left anchor fluke. The color is gun-metal blue.The eagle's wings are clearly bent to the rear. The anchor rope shows signs of having been soldered to to the anchor crown.
No. 2 is also marked H-H but in a larger stamping with the "H"s inside the bird, stamped on the anchor shank near the tip. It also has a small 'Imperial' hallmark on the anchor stock, upside down and very hard to make out even with a 10X loop. The construction of this piece has a fully solid reverse. Rope fouling is identicle to No. 1. The rope retainer is also square but more narrow. The color is a dark bronze. The globe and continents appear identicle on both. I believe both of these insignia date from the late 1930's to the end of WWII. The use of the "Imperial" mark is not accurately dated but that badge appears to have some of the earlier characteristics found on the M1926 pattern insignia. Two more M1937 Offiser's service insignia follow.
Posted 02 October 2007 - 07:52 PM
No. 3 is the same as No. 1. A dished out reverse. Square anchor chain retainer. Indenticle rope fouling. Chain retainer is square. Chain is soldered to the the tip of the anchor crown. Wings are flat, not bent at all. On the left reverse wing appears the stamp "Sterling By Blackinton". The color is gunmetal.
No. 4 also has a dished out reverse as in No.1 and No. 3. The anchor chain fouling is also identicle ending in a square chain retainer. The chain is soldered to the anchor crown with a fairly large glob. the insignia is marked on the reverse left wing "Sterling" over "Pasquale". The color is washed out silver. The globe and continets are identicle to the other three.
So....all this leads me to believe that Hilborne-Hamburger was a contractor for these insignia marketed by Blackinton and Pasquale. I have always thought of Blackinton as a manufacturer/retailer and Pasquale as a retailer only. I believe that insignias 1.3 and 4 were made during the war and that No. 2 was made around 1937 but before 1942, just based on how the 4 insignia compare. So.....let's have a discussion! semper Fi, y'all....................bobgee
Posted 02 October 2007 - 08:55 PM
I think you posted the Blackinton reverse twice. Can we see the reverse of the Pasquale? The Pasquale hallmark is a new one for me in this pattern and I'm guessing that if we looked more closely at what we assume to be standard Hillborn & Hamburger emblems, we're going to find more than just these H&H, H&H Imperial, Blackinton and Pasquale made pieces. I'm guessing H&H loaned out their dies to other companies, mostly likely during WWII, when the demand for insignia was high. My guess would also date the Blackinton and Pasquale to straight-up WWII.
Here's another one to throw into the fray. This emblem was gifted to me by Jeremiah several months back because he understands my total fetish for all WWII emblems, and as you can see, the identical same pattern as your beautiful emblems shown. It sure looks like the H&H pattern to me, but all comments and opinions are very much welcome. Darrell guessed maybe prototype emblem, but my guess is just a very inexpensive private purchase piece sold during WWII, much like the EM Econo-Leads? This emblem is devoid of any and all hallmarks and appears to be made of a zinc alloy. If anyone is familiar with Third Reich "mid to late war" award badges, this emblem is very similar in construction, wear and corrosion. I'm also guessing that this "bird" never made it to the Pacific, because of it had, I believe the humidity and heat would have totally destroyed it. Also note the aluminum alloy roller nut that also mirrors the brass H&H type.
Edited by teufelhunde.ret, 01 March 2008 - 11:39 AM.
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Posted 03 October 2007 - 03:50 AM
Posted 03 October 2007 - 05:25 AM
Now, your comments about the cheap material used does suggest 'war economy' of the time. Also, all insignia was made in both 'precious' metals and in common metals, plated to meet the regulations. I imagine as the war wore on these metals were less available. Sterling Silver insignia also cost more. Some GIs didn't care what kind of metal was used for their badges. . Others did. And we're speaking of officers mostly who had to buy their 'kit' including all badges. Some went 'uptown'. Others were cheap, buying plain vanilla, just the basics. That's why we so many intersting variations which interest us as collectors nearly 70 years later. To them, I think, a badge was a badge was a badge!
I think your EGA was so low on Hilborn-Hamburger's quality scale that they may purposefully not marked it with their logo. Maybe it was made for a retailer of uniforms, etc. who did not want it marked. I also agree that it was probably 'late war' (not a term usually found in a U.S. insignia discussion.) Only a thought. Wouldn't it wonderful to have all the H&H files from their era to study????? S/F......Bob
Posted 03 October 2007 - 06:29 AM
I do find the "cheap" ones a perplexing scenario, with no hallmarks and or those with numbers incised in various locations. Perhaps some dies did "escape" the factory in the lunch box of a disgruntled employee.
Final thought, while the H&H emblem(s) front remain identical in character... the reverse side has subtle differences more often than not. Very puzzling http://www.usmilitar...tyle_emoticons/default/think.gif
Posted 03 October 2007 - 02:44 PM
Posted 04 November 2007 - 07:46 AM
Posted 04 November 2007 - 08:13 AM
Here is one of their current officers cap devices:
Edited by teufelhunde.ret, 01 March 2008 - 11:39 AM.
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Posted 01 March 2008 - 11:42 AM
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