Kurt Barickman Posted February 9, 2011 Share #1 Posted February 9, 2011 Does anybody know what the WWII USMC rank of RDMC stands for? I assume a higher ranking NCO but would appreciate anyhelp here. I thank you in advance. Kurt Barickman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Boghots Posted February 9, 2011 Share #2 Posted February 9, 2011 Does anybody know what the WWII USMC rank of RDMC stands for? I assume a higher ranking NCO but would appreciate anyhelp here. I thank you in advance. Kurt Barickman Hi Kurt, I'm curious, in what context are you seeing it used ? Gear marking, enlisted file paperwork, uniform, etc. ? At this point, you've got me stumped . . . :think: Best regards, Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Hudson Posted February 9, 2011 Share #3 Posted February 9, 2011 Royal Dutch Marine Corps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagman Posted February 9, 2011 Share #4 Posted February 9, 2011 Perhaps actually U.S. Navy?? Radioman or Radarman Chief???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpcsdan Posted February 9, 2011 Share #5 Posted February 9, 2011 Does anybody know what the WWII USMC rank of RDMC stands for? I assume a higher ranking NCO but would appreciate anyhelp here. I thank you in advance. Kurt Barickman RDmC was USN Chief Radarman during WWII, not sure about USMC usage. -dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted February 9, 2011 Share #6 Posted February 9, 2011 Does anybody know what the WWII USMC rank of RDMC stands for? I assume a higher ranking NCO but would appreciate anyhelp here. Nener heard of such a "thing" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barickman Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share #7 Posted February 9, 2011 MOTTRAM, CHARLES F RDMC US MARINE CORPS WORLD WAR II DATE OF BIRTH: 02/11/1909 DATE OF DEATH: 01/03/1988 BURIED AT: SECTION 5 SITE 2560 Here is where? Anybody? Kurt Barickman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
67Rally Posted February 9, 2011 Share #8 Posted February 9, 2011 RDmC was USN Chief Radarman during WWII, not sure about USMC usage.-dan I saw a WWII Vandegrift jacket on eBay a few months ago - the stripes were SGT but there was an RD insignia present on the sleeve (the lightning bolts with the arrow) and I was outbid (by a considerable amount). I can't recall the SSI, but I was bowled over by the USN rate insignia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted February 9, 2011 Share #9 Posted February 9, 2011 I saw a WWII Vandegrift jacket on eBay a few months ago - the stripes were SGT but there was an RD insignia present on the sleeve (the lightning bolts with the arrow) and I was outbid (by a considerable amount). I can't recall the SSI, but I was bowled over by the USN rate insignia. As far as this uniform goes, what the insignia on the uniform meant was that the original owner had attended Navy RD school, so was a Radarman in the MC. As for the WWII rate designation, the C would have come first for CRDm. As for the original point of this thread, "Recruit Depot Marine Corps" comes to mind, or a typo. Steve Hesson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmoore456 Posted February 9, 2011 Share #10 Posted February 9, 2011 Kurt, I am sure you have Googled it. Once you weed through all of the Run-DMC sites I found a cemetary listing for a sailor that had it as RDMC/3. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barickman Posted February 9, 2011 Author Share #11 Posted February 9, 2011 Right, But if you look at the gravestone data, this person was definitely in the USMC. Kurt Barickman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmoore456 Posted February 9, 2011 Share #12 Posted February 9, 2011 Right, But if you look at the gravestone data, this person was definitely in the USMC. Kurt Barickman True, but I am thinking the specialty would be the same. Ray Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted February 10, 2011 Share #13 Posted February 10, 2011 Kurt,I am sure you have Googled it. Once you weed through all of the Run-DMC sites I found a cemetary listing for a sailor that had it as RDMC/3. Ray That is a typo, it would have been RDm 3/c. These things happen. I see it alot, especially now with all the WWII guys dying off. No one really knows what the old ratings were or how to write them, so most people don't recognize a mistake. Also, a Marine would be listed by rank and not a Navy rating. I think you just have a typo. It happens. Steve Hesson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barickman Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share #14 Posted February 10, 2011 That is a typo, it would have been RDm 3/c. These things happen. I see it alot, especially now with all the WWII guys dying off. No one really knows what the old ratings were or how to write them, so most people don't recognize a mistake. Also, a Marine would be listed by rank and not a Navy rating. I think you just have a typo. It happens. Steve Hesson Do you think that this guy was not in the USMC? Or are you talking about his rank as a radarman? Kurt Barickman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted February 10, 2011 Share #15 Posted February 10, 2011 Do you think that this guy was not in the USMC? Or are you talking about his rank as a radarman?Kurt Barickman I'm saying it looks like they wrote his rank wrong. I am sure he was a Marine, they just typed in the wrong info for rank. Happens more often than we'd like. Steve Hesson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted February 10, 2011 Share #16 Posted February 10, 2011 I'm saying it looks like they wrote his rank wrong. I am sure he was a Marine, they just typed in the wrong info for rank. Happens more often than we'd like. :thumbsup: agree, human error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barickman Posted February 10, 2011 Author Share #17 Posted February 10, 2011 If you are right, it is pretty sad that his family didn't know the difference on his govt. tombstone. Thanks for all the input, Kurt Barickman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doyler Posted February 10, 2011 Share #18 Posted February 10, 2011 If you are right, it is pretty sad that his family didn't know the difference on his govt. tombstone. Thanks for all the input, Kurt Barickman Happens more than you think.I personally know a FSSF veteran and when he passed the family had a Silver Star put on his stone.In reallity his silver star was a silver campaign star listed on his discharge.Not a Silver Star medal for valor.The family/widow just didnt understand the the meaning of the silver star listed on his discharge.I also see a lot of this in obituaries when submitted RD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsaye Posted February 10, 2011 Share #19 Posted February 10, 2011 this goes to the discussions on here about families getting rid of grandpas military stuff. It has no meaning to them, so when typos or the like happen, no one notices. Most of us can read military paper work and make sense of it. We can look at bits of uniform or insignia and have a close idea as to what and when. To the aveage person out there, they have no clue. Unless Grandpa took the stuff out and talked about it alot, no one really cared. I just burried my Vet Dad, and to tell you the truth, it was an eye opening experience. Dealing with the people who should know (you would think). Most people working for the organizations that are supposed to handel these things do not know ilitary stuff either. My Father retired in '67, and many of the people we worked with simply could not understand he was an EM1. So, to us, it's "How can they make such a Bone Head mistake", but to them, it's "What's Wrong?". Steve Hesson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barickman Posted February 11, 2011 Author Share #20 Posted February 11, 2011 Guess it makes sense no that I think about it. It took my family years of trying to figure out what the PH meant on my brother's KIA govt. tombstone. It wasn't till years later that I figured out only after I gave up collecting TR and started US. That's from the relative of a collector! Most families are no different. Thanks for all the input, Kurt Barickman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryd6818 Posted February 19, 2011 Share #21 Posted February 19, 2011 Rank structure for the Marine Corps during WWII were as follows. RDMC has strings to Regimental Drum Corporal and Regimental Drum Major C (anybodies guess) Those are guesses and the only thing I could glean from the rank structure of the time that came close. I don't have much faith in it. Make of it what you will. Enlisted rank insignia 1937-1944 Rank description - "Private" has no rank insignia 1. Musician Marine Band 2. Private First Class or Assistant Cook ** Trumpeter First Class ** Drummer First Class ** 3. Corporal or Mess Corporal ** Field Cook ** Trumpet Corporal ** Drum Corporal ** 4. Sergeant or Mess Sergeant ** Chief Cook ** Trumpet Sergeant ** Drum Sergeant ** 5. Staff Sergeant ** or Staff Sergeant (Mechanical) ** Staff Sergeant (Mess) ** 6. Platoon Sergeant ** 7. Technical Sergeant or Technical Sergeant (Mess) ** Drum Major ** Supply Sergeant ** 8. Gunnery Sergeant ** or First Sergeant ** 9. Master Technical Sergeant or Master Technical Sergeant (Mess) ** Quartermaster Sergeant ** Paymaster Sergeant ** 10. Sergeant Major or Master Gunnery Sergeant ** 11. Second Leader, Marine Band Enlisted rank insignia 1944-1946 Rank description - "Private" has no rank insignia 1. Private First Class 2. Corporal 3. Sergeant 4. Staff Sergeant 5. Platoon Sergeant 6. Technical Sergeant 7. Gunnery Sergeant 8. Master Gunnery Sergeant or Master Technical Sergeant Quartermaster Sergeant Paymaster Sergeant 9. Sergeant Major or First Sergeant ** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barickman Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share #22 Posted February 19, 2011 Hmmm......, the plot thickens. The tunic as the highest ranking enlisted sleeve insignia but it is the old pattern with the diamonds in the middle. Perhaps if this Mottram was indeed with the band, he was unable to find top ranking NCO band stripes with the lyre in the middle and put the ones on with the diamonds instead? The tunic also has a blooded Guadalcanal patch and has two hashmarks for eight years service and the tunic is dated 1943. Perhaps I should post some pictures. This is a righteous piece and there has been no other previous sleeve ranks on it. Kurt Barickman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted February 19, 2011 Share #23 Posted February 19, 2011 Hmmm......, the plot thickens. :think: perhaps, but, one would think someone over all these years would have seen such a "thing" before? Are you pulling his file? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teufelhunde.ret Posted February 19, 2011 Share #24 Posted February 19, 2011 ...The tunic also has a blooded Guadalcanal patch and has two hashmarks for eight years service and the tunic is dated 1943. BTW, ancestry shows his entry date into the Marine Corps as 20 Jan 1944.... :think: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurt Barickman Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share #25 Posted February 19, 2011 I have no first initals so I am pulling all the Mottram files of enlisted Marines. One was the first one KIA in Fostoria Ohio where they have named a reservoir after him. What about the one guy you found on Ancestry joining in 1938? Won't know until the files come but I am intrigued by the whole thing. Kurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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